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DocWible
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 Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:29 pm Post subject: Broken fuel pump flange... |
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Ok, so I was trying to take the flange out while inspecting my fuel pump and its shaft broke in half  , and half is still down inside engine. 
Is there any way to get this out without taking the engine out/apart? 
I tried grabbing it with some needle nose pliers, but to no avail... Any help would be greatly apprecaited. |
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anthracitedub
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Usually they won't come out...it'll keep breaking as you get ahold of a piece.
If you had a tool that could grab it internally through the pushrods hole, you'd be set. I used to have a tool, kinda like a collet that would expand after you inserted it in a bore and tightens it up...
I've been trying to remove one from a case that is split and it just break the more I try to remove it. I even tried punching it out from the bottom...still jammed in there, so I know they can really get stuck pretty good.
So, you may try to search for a tool that will grab it internally, or you may be tearing the engine apart to get it. Best of luck. |
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DocWible
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So if I break it apart would I be able to then suck the pieces out with the shopvac? Or am I screwed if the pieces fall?  |
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anthracitedub
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I couldn't be certain that you'll be able to vac it all out.
You could try using a thread tap, dip it in grease and thread it down the hole and try pulling.... Just try your best to pull along the same plane as the fuel pump base... Maybe it will come out that way. |
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Cusser
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Do a Search on this site, this has happened to a bunch of us (including me). There are various fixes posted.
I tried screwing in a tap or bolt into the broken part and pulling with a vise-grip, but that didn't work for me. I ended up chiseling the broken piece out, retrieving the pieces after removing the oil strainer plate, and flushing with oil.
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rubadubdub
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This has happened to me too.
Take a 3" 5/16th bolt and put a nut on it. Turn the nut til its about 2 3/4" on the bolt. Carefully tap the broken flange for 5/16. You don't have to tap too deep, just enough to get a good grip for the bolt. Put a fender washer over the nut and turn the bolt into the broken flange. Once the bolt has a good grip, turn the nut against the fender washer (which sits over the hole), It will slowly pull the flange easily out. I was stressed about it too, but it took me all of ten minutes. Good luck. |
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crvc
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| rubadubdub wrote: |
This has happened to me too.
Take a 3" 5/16th bolt and put a nut on it. Turn the nut til its about 2 3/4" on the bolt. Carefully tap the broken flange for 5/16. You don't have to tap too deep, just enough to get a good grip for the bolt. Put a fender washer over the nut and turn the bolt into the broken flange. Once the bolt has a good grip, turn the nut against the fender washer (which sits over the hole), It will slowly pull the flange easily out. I was stressed about it too, but it took me all of ten minutes. Good luck. |
Extremely clever. I read it five times before it made sense. But it does now and it's very clever.
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notsnarb
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| rubadubdub wrote: |
This has happened to me too.
Take a 3" 5/16th bolt and put a nut on it. Turn the nut til its about 2 3/4" on the bolt. Carefully tap the broken flange for 5/16. You don't have to tap too deep, just enough to get a good grip for the bolt. Put a fender washer over the nut and turn the bolt into the broken flange. Once the bolt has a good grip, turn the nut against the fender washer (which sits over the hole), It will slowly pull the flange easily out. I was stressed about it too, but it took me all of ten minutes. Good luck. |
I use a similar method with all thread and two nuts locked together. I keep the home made tool in my tool box
Photos included FYI
if you don't have 5/16" use M8
Fender or large diameter washer with nut pulls out the allthread and the stuck piece
if you don't tap it deep enough then the a little piece can bust off, look close at the last photo. it eventually comes out with an oil change 
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bill may
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rubadubdub
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| Thanks for posting a picture! |
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VWDog
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| rubadubdub wrote: |
This has happened to me too.
Take a 3" 5/16th bolt and put a nut on it. Turn the nut til its about 2 3/4" on the bolt. Carefully tap the broken flange for 5/16. You don't have to tap too deep, just enough to get a good grip for the bolt. Put a fender washer over the nut and turn the bolt into the broken flange. Once the bolt has a good grip, turn the nut against the fender washer (which sits over the hole), It will slowly pull the flange easily out. I was stressed about it too, but it took me all of ten minutes. Good luck. |
I use a similar method with all thread and two nuts locked together. I keep the home made tool in my tool box
Photos included FYI
if you don't have 5/16" use M8
Fender or large diameter washer with nut pulls out the allthread and the stuck piece
if you don't tap it deep enough then the a little piece can bust off, look close at the last photo. it eventually comes out with an oil change |
Do I have an abnormal stand or flange? I ask because I needed to use a 3/8th tap and a piece of 3/8" ready rod to accomplish this, not 5/16(had no bite). I had the engine out of the Bus and drained of oil so I decided to turn the whole shootin' match over so I didn't contaminate the engine with dust etc. Just to be sure I made an adapter for my shop vac to that I could use a piece of fuel hose as a mini suction hose.
This thread saved me a huge headache, so thanks to all who responded!
A pic of what came out:
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notsnarb
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Great feeling when it comes out, isn't it?
no you got it right. My bad it should have read 3/8" or 10mm |
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