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delibessleep Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2005 Posts: 764 Location: Nine Mile Falls, WA
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:25 pm Post subject: problem with filling the propane tank |
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Hi,
This is the first time I've taken my westy in for a propane fill, and it was unsuccessful. The attendant couldn't get the fluid to enter the cylinder.
I know nothing of these things...to the right of where the nozzle connects is a screw device. Is it necessary to open that while filling?
The instructions on my Manchester tank are completely illegible...I tried like hell to read it but it made no sense. Cleaning the dirt off of the label made the printing magically disappear.
Help! _________________ 63 Single Cab
87 Westy
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Ahwahnee Samba Member
Joined: June 05, 2010 Posts: 9778 Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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There is a bleed screw -- perhaps that is what you are referring to -- that must be opened in order for the tank to accept fuel.
On my old tank it sometimes had to be opened a lot before the fuel would begin pumping, expecially in hot weather. Many times I have had to coach the attendant to 'open it more'... 'some more'... 'still more' until finally the dial would start to move.
The screw on mine was a knurled knob, some are different from that (such as my replacement tank) but the operation is the same.
It remains open until liquid propane squirts out, the it is closed as the pump is shut down. |
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Ahwahnee Samba Member
Joined: June 05, 2010 Posts: 9778 Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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This is from my 84, but possibly useful depending on how different yours is:
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7893 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Stupid questions: How low does the propane level have to be in order to fill the tank? Do you guys just run the propane out (i.e. until the stove won't light) and then refill? If you turn the bleed screw and get a <pssshhhh> of propane, does that mean it has enough to not warrant filling?
The reason I ask, is because the first time I tried having the tank filled, the attendant cracked opened the valve and <pssshhhh>; "It's already full," she said. Ever since then, I've cracked the valve open and still get a <pssshhh> although it's not as strong today as it was two years ago (yes, it's been two years since attempting to fill the tank and the stove still lights!). I'd like to get the tank topped off before Syncro Soltice, but am unsure how to go about it if the valve is still going <pssshhh>. _________________ ~Kamz
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Timwhy Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2009 Posts: 3997 Location: Maine
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:55 am Post subject: |
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Kammie I do believe that the check valve or auto stop valve will not allow some one to over fill a tank.
Maybe they can try but wouldn't they shut off their hose when they hear gas escaping.
If it were me I'd take it to an RV place and they can tell you better than I as well as top off
your tank. Then you know it's full. I just had my new tank filled a few weeks ago, 3 and a
half gallons filled.
kamzcab86 wrote: |
[threadjack ]
Stupid questions: How low does the propane level have to be in order to fill the tank? Do you guys just run the propane out (i.e. until the stove won't light) and then refill? If you turn the bleed screw and get a <pssshhhh> of propane, does that mean it has enough to not warrant filling?
The reason I ask, is because the first time I tried having the tank filled, the attendant cracked opened the valve and <pssshhhh>; "It's already full," she said. Ever since then, I've cracked the valve open and still get a <pssshhh> although it's not as strong today as it was two years ago (yes, it's been two years since attempting to fill the tank and the stove still lights!). I'd like to get the tank topped off before Syncro Soltice, but am unsure how to go about it if the valve is still going <pssshhh>. |
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Rodknock Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 516 Location: Boulder CO
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:48 am Post subject: |
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I think the attendant has to press the red reset button while he is trying to fill the tank (valve open) otherwise nothing will happen when you press the reset button. |
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delibessleep Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2005 Posts: 764 Location: Nine Mile Falls, WA
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:58 am Post subject: |
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http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/VW/AutoStopInstructions.jpg
Ahwahnee: This looks exactly like the sticker on mine (except it is complete)! Thanks! I'll print this and hand it to the attendant...keep one in the westy too in case I run into this problem again!
Thanks very much. _________________ 63 Single Cab
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delibessleep Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2005 Posts: 764 Location: Nine Mile Falls, WA
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:59 am Post subject: |
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Are these autostop stickers available anywhere? I thought I saw reproductions somewhere, but for the life of me I can't remember where. _________________ 63 Single Cab
87 Westy
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17018 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:22 am Post subject: |
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kamzcab86 wrote: |
[threadjack ]
Stupid questions: How low does the propane level have to be in order to fill the tank? Do you guys just run the propane out (i.e. until the stove won't light) and then refill? If you turn the bleed screw and get a <pssshhhh> of propane, does that mean it has enough to not warrant filling?
The reason I ask, is because the first time I tried having the tank filled, the attendant cracked opened the valve and <pssshhhh>; "It's already full," she said. Ever since then, I've cracked the valve open and still get a <pssshhh> although it's not as strong today as it was two years ago (yes, it's been two years since attempting to fill the tank and the stove still lights!). I'd like to get the tank topped off before Syncro Soltice, but am unsure how to go about it if the valve is still going <pssshhh>. |
Kamz, when we travel, I fill up about once a week. It usually takes only one gallon or whatever the measurement it is. I stop when I see a convenient hardware store etc. We use the fridge and the stove continuosly. Based on my observations, we could probably go two plus weeks based on our use, but I feel better when I know it is full. Easier to do when it is convenient than having to drive around looking for a fill.
I don't take the bleed cap off, I only loosen it. You can hear and smell the gas escaping, but no vapor cloud. When the attendant gets it full, you see a white vapor cloud, which indicates to me and the attendant, it is full. I try to politely assist as much as possible to be sure it does not get cross threaded etc. Make sure the fridge is off during the fill. mark _________________ ☮️ |
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spitsnrovers Samba Member
Joined: December 17, 2005 Posts: 924 Location: Calgary, Canada
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:32 am Post subject: |
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My '88 has the AutoStop valve, but I have to compress the red button with pliers while the attendant fills the tank. A little awkward for 2 under the tank, but it works every time. _________________ '88 VW Westfalia
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Corwyn Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2009 Posts: 2230 Location: Olympia, Washington
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:35 am Post subject: |
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It sounds like the "attendant" is clueless. Take your van to an RV place - they are very familiar with the fittings and procedures. _________________ '90 White Westy ("Knarr")
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Navy_Flyer Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2012 Posts: 474 Location: Charlottesville, VA
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:37 am Post subject: |
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My '87 has the auto-stop valve, and a bit of the instruction sticker still left (but thanks for the 'new' jpg of it - I will reproduce it, laminate it, and put it in the Westy)...
Question, how do I know if my tank is 'legal'? I have never had it filled (yet) since I acquired it, and need to know if I need the tank mod to bring it up to current spec. Hate to find out my local Propane dealer won't fill it when I need it.... like soon (Spring is here - time to camp!)... _________________ 1987 Westfalia, Automatic. EJ25 VANARU Conversion |
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Mmartinphd Samba Member
Joined: March 17, 2012 Posts: 42 Location: Newnan, GA
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:08 am Post subject: |
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I'm having the same dilemma. I just got an '87 and part of me wants to just give it a shot and part of me wants to go for the new tank.
I do know my tank is empty, but I'm not sure if I should bother having it checked. |
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GreenMachineVW Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:12 am Post subject: |
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You can buy the hardware for much less than the tanks. The tank might have some outside rust, but they are quite solid. |
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JN99 Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2011 Posts: 96 Location: Redmond, WA
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:24 am Post subject: |
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I have an `87 that I've yet to refill either but need to do so now. The PO had a new regulator installed and I have no idea of that has anything to do with refilling or changes the procedure? The only local place I know if to get a refill is a U-Haul where I get my BBQ tanks refilled but I wonder if they'll have ANY idea how to fill the van; I sure don't! |
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Franklinstower Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2006 Posts: 1892 Location: PNW
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:38 am Post subject: |
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JN99 wrote: |
I have an `87 that I've yet to refill either but need to do so now. The PO had a new regulator installed and I have no idea of that has anything to do with refilling or changes the procedure? The only local place I know if to get a refill is a U-Haul where I get my BBQ tanks refilled but I wonder if they'll have ANY idea how to fill the van; I sure don't! |
Really - just uhaul in redmond? i find that hard to believe. I have had good luck at gas stations. If you don't have the auto stop valve, it is as easy as filling a barbecue tank. The AutoStop valve causes the problems. I have one, and I have experienced some problems filling it. About 50% of the time.
If you go to Uhaul, ask if they have filled a westy before, and don't let the kid do it. usually the old farts have a better understanding of the procedure.
Anyone with the AutoStop that has too many problems getting there tanks filled can go to an RV store and get a regular fill valve. Installation is simple, spray soapy water on all the connections after it is filled to check for leaks.
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15132 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:41 am Post subject: |
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a quick google returns
Pacer Propane
18459 Northeast 76th Street, Redmond, WA
(425) 883-4242 www.pacerpropaneredmond.com
natural gas · liquefied petroleum
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I have an `87 that I've yet to refill either but need to do so now. The PO had a new regulator installed and I have no idea of that has anything to do with refilling or changes the procedure? The only local place I know if to get a refill is a U-Haul where I get my BBQ tanks refilled but I wonder if they'll have ANY idea how to fill the van; I sure don't! |
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JN99 Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2011 Posts: 96 Location: Redmond, WA
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:35 am Post subject: |
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I didn't say the U-Haul is the only place, or that I cannot find another place, just that it's the only place I know of since I've never needed to look elsewhere to fill the BBQ tanks.
I've not looked closely at my tank but I assume it's still got the original auto stop valve so that's my concern with going to a place like UHaul. Then again, it sounds like other than RV shops there's a good chance there will be a problem refilling the tanks with the auto stop valve wherever we go.
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The AutoStop valve causes the problems. I have one, and I have experienced some problems filling it. About 50% of the time.
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Paul - what problems have you had and were they related to the valve or the person filling it not knowing how to operate it? |
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Franklinstower Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Paul - what problems have you had and were they related to the valve or the person filling it not knowing how to operate it? |
Mostly the valve itself. Sometimes, the dude just hooks up the hose, opens the bleeder and it fills. But other times, it has taked a few trys, and requires pushing the reset button. I think if the button needs to be pushed, you got to know when to push it and do it at the right time or sequence. I also have experienced the reset button stuck. And don't know if it is stuck depressed or not.
I think I am going to add another tank to the right side and use a normal fill valve, so I will always have a back up tank. You can get a solid two weeks running the fridge 24/7 on one tank! _________________ '89 Westy - EJ25/22 Frank 4.44 5mt
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:56 am Post subject: |
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rsxsr wrote: |
I don't take the bleed cap off, I only loosen it. You can hear and smell the gas escaping, but no vapor cloud. When the attendant gets it full, you see a white vapor cloud, which indicates to me and the attendant, it is full. I try to politely assist as much as possible to be sure it does not get cross threaded etc. Make sure the fridge is off during the fill. mark |
Okay, I think that answers my questions. At the gas station 2 years ago, there was a vapor cloud; now there isn't one, just that putrid aroma and gas.
Before heading up to Moab, I'll give the refill another go. There's an RV place just down the street; maybe I'll pop in there first.
Thanks! _________________ ~Kamz
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