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whirlpool Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2010 Posts: 84 Location: Keller
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 6:30 am Post subject: Torque tool advice |
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I bought the torque tool /buddy /dude /meister device. This was so that I did not have to go the route of breaker bars or massive torque wench.
The advice I would like to know is from anyone who has used this prior. Stock Crank and gland nut. The original specifications call for 252 ft/lb; Wilson and others state 300ft/lb which equates to 28 or 33.3 ft/lb with the torque tool at a factor of 9. As my tools are rudimentary I decided on 30ft/lbs (270ft/lbs) as a mid point as the error factor I hope is not out more than 10% with my torque wrench.
30ft/lbs is "finger" tight (almost) and I just cannot believe that the gland nut is correctly torqued - I have so little faith as I have no other way of knowing if this is correct at 270ft/lbs.
Anybody who as used the device can you safely say that I need not worry? Even you-tube does not allay my fears as it was removal not final torque - it is just too easy!
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19super73 Hardcore Stock Nazi
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22431 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:20 am Post subject: Re: Torque tool advice |
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whirlpool wrote: |
Anybody who as used the device can you safely say that I need not worry? Even you-tube does not allay my fears as it was removal not final torque - it is just too easy!
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I've built several engines using the Torque Miester to tighten the gland nut. It works just as advetised. No problems either. And yes, "it is just too easy". I even take it with me on long road trips, in case someone in the group needs to change a main seal. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
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whirlpool Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2010 Posts: 84 Location: Keller
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:28 am Post subject: |
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Thanks. That is a relief. I would hate the gland nut to do something crazy at 60mph.
Well, I must say that it was $70 well spent because the idea of breaker bars etc really did not excite me and I probably would have had to pay that for a 3rd party to have them torque it for me.
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drscope Samba Member
Joined: February 19, 2007 Posts: 15273 Location: Baltimore, Maryland USA
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 9:38 am Post subject: |
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Trust your tools. _________________ Mother Nature is a Mean Evil Bitch! |
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Dave Samba Elder
Joined: July 11, 2002 Posts: 2693 Location: The Forest Moon of Endor, in the Redwoods
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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There have been quite a few times when I would use my old Kymco Torquemeister on somebody's brake drums, and use like 2 fingers to tighten them up to 30 lbs-ft (= 270 lbs-ft) and they absolutely wouldn't believe me that it was tight enough, so I would invite them to use their 1/2 inch breaker bar and cheater bar, to try and loosen it. One guy went though 2 of his Craftsman 1/2 breaker bars, snapping the pin in both of them, before admitting that, yeah, the Torquemeister did work. I then used the same 2 fingers to loosen it, and then tighten it back up.
Had another guy borrow mine, and I specifically told him it multiplies the torque by 9 times... he didn't believe me, went for something like 75-80 lbs.-ft, and ended up having to get the threaded half of the gland nut out of the crank, you could see that the gland nut broke in one shot, wasn't cracked before or anything... _________________ 2003 Samba Chummie Winner- Best Story
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Gary Person of Interest
Joined: November 01, 2002 Posts: 17069 Location: 127.0.0.1
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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Like Dave says, you have to remember that this tool is a multiplier. Think of using pulleys, like a snatch block, to hoist or move a load. The amount of power is multiplied.
I have a 1996 Crown Victoria that needed new front wheel bearings; however, the axle nut had to be installed at ~300-ft/lbs, which meant I had to get a torque multiplier that looks like this:
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whirlpool Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2010 Posts: 84 Location: Keller
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Yeah! Saw those torque multipliers online. They are heavy weight tools and quiet expensive, especially those that push the 3000ft/lbs. The torque tool is perfect for the hobbyist like me, relatively cheap and does the job. I am still stunned at the ease of doing what for me was going to be a mission.
as for crowning victoria, that was about 1837... |
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mark tucker Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 12:04 am Post subject: |
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Ive seen the torque multipliers at the harbenger of fright, but it dosent say how much it multiplies.and the torque dude I have seen dosent have the ability of changing sizes of sockets.for the big gland nuts.or the nuts with big glands either. |
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joe56vw Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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mark tucker wrote: |
Ive seen the torque multipliers at the harbenger of fright, but it dosent say how much it multiplies.and the torque dude I have seen dosent have the ability of changing sizes of sockets.for the big gland nuts.or the nuts with big glands either. |
I took a 1 1/2" socket and welded it to a stock gland nut so you can use the torguemeister on the empi stlye gland nuts _________________ '60 15 window walkthrough
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