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LAGrunthaner Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2007 Posts: 5501 Location: 1st Coast
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:26 pm Post subject: Having an awful time installing glass. |
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We are having an awful time installing solid glass in our bus, 67 (westy). We started with the rear corner and it seems like the gasket is too thick. I got them from WW and they are correct but it seems nearly impossible to get them in. We had used rope method but it appears there just isn't enough room for the gasket and glass to clear the opening recess of the body. I fear glass shops are clueless to our buses. More tips needed?
Is side glass more difficult to install than windshield or hatch because there is a recess? _________________ American Red Cross Safe And Well:
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dawerks Samba Member
Joined: September 15, 2010 Posts: 2349
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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All glass is hard to install. Try installing roof windows with new rubber. FUN!
I use a heat gun to get the rubber softer (YMMV). I put the rubber around the window heat it up. Let it sit, heat it up etc. The rubber has to fit pretty nice before trying to install in the bus.
Then uh, use lots of lube. People say soap and water but, yeah, it doesn't work for me. The water dries up WAY too fast and it's just not slippery enough.
Get a helper! Some people have god awful strong fingers, find one. My wife helped me install my windows (once) and she kicks butt at it. She won't help anymore because 'of too many openings'.
I think windshields are easier because they're bigger, the rubber fitment doesn't have to be so precise, the rubber gives in eventually. The smaller the window, the harder it is to get in. But it's also more rewarding. Keep pushing _________________ "There is only one sin; disconnection from self." |
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cdennisg Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 20233 Location: Sandpoint, ID
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Having an awful time installing glass. |
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Linda Grunthaner wrote: |
We are having an awful time installing solid glass in our bus, 67 (westy). We started with the rear corner and it seems like the gasket is too thick. I got them from WW and they are correct but it seems nearly impossible to get them in. We had used rope method but it appears there just isn't enough room for the gasket and glass to clear the opening recess of the body. I fear glass shops are clueless to our buses. More tips needed?
Is side glass more difficult to install than windshield or hatch because there is a recess? |
Original glass or new glass cut at a glass shop? New glass is almost always slightly thicker than original, and if they cut it slightly oversize it can cause install issues. Also, ask them to slightly bevel the edges on new glass, it helps to relieve the issues of that glass being thicker than original. _________________ nothing |
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Culito 11010101
Joined: December 07, 2006 Posts: 5863 Location: Columbia Missourah
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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Silicone spray! Those windows will jump right in. _________________ Copyright CJ Industries, Inc.
'64 standard w/2.0L type 4
'62 bug
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ldsvwguy Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2003 Posts: 1020 Location: Saratoga Springs, UT
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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Leave the rubber out on the sun to warm them up and 3-1 silicone spray is your best friend (thanks to whomever suggested that a while back) _________________ "When I die, I want to die like my grandfather who died peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming like all the passengers in his car." |
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TinCanFab Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 2743 Location: Waterford, California
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suebug Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2006 Posts: 1151 Location: The OC, SoCal, with my olympic cats
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Linda, did you totally give up on your jalousies? Stationary glass in a bus in Jersey? Do you like to sweat? I vote for putting your jalousies back in as they are. You will be so glad for the ventilation. _________________ '67 Beetle
'67 Squareback
'66 Sundial
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mr white Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2005 Posts: 1193 Location: beautiful Oregon & Mohave County, AZ
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Just use the liquid wrench silicone spray for rubber seals and some weed eater twine. Should be a breeze with that combo. Good luck! |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24671 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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At least a thin coating of non-fibered roofing tar on the body openings. This acts as a sealant, rust preventer and lubes up the rubber to slip in easily.
NEVER use rope, the ribbed of the wound threads acts like a serrated knife through the rubber.
Use automotive wiring, the insulation is just soft and smooth enough to keep from tearing up the paint, and not cutting up the rubber.
Using silicon as a lube is bad if later you need to do some painting. The silicon is a pain to get off the body and causes fish eye affect in the paint. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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scottf3334 Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2006 Posts: 205 Location: Davenport, FL
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Did all the windows in a bug with Astroglide and cheap cotton clothesline.
In case you don't know, Astroglide is a water based lubricant, designed not to affect latex. Just rinses away with no reside. There are some others out there. Look in the family planning aisle.
It is kind of expensive, but I'm sure you can find a use for the rest of the bottle _________________ 84 Westy
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Dave24 Samba Hack Purist
Joined: April 14, 2004 Posts: 7442 Location: Hablamos Ingles, So. Cal.
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
At least a thin coating of non-fibered roofing tar on the body openings. This acts as a sealant, rust preventer and lubes up the rubber to slip in easily.
NEVER use rope, the ribbed of the wound threads acts like a serrated knife through the rubber.
Use automotive wiring, the insulation is just soft and smooth enough to keep from tearing up the paint, and not cutting up the rubber.
Using silicon as a lube is bad if later you need to do some painting. The silicon is a pain to get off the body and causes fish eye affect in the paint. |
I've been putting/taking glass in/out of VWs for 35+ years... with waxed clothesline cord (rope), with soap and water. Have NEVER torn any rubber, (unless it was rotted/decomposed). On the otherhand, in a pinch, I have used insulated wire and it has cut and shredded seals because it is too thin. The seal is the SEAL. I have used roofing tar... on my roof. Silicone overspray wipes easily off paint with acetone, although it (silicone spray OR sealant has no use for installing glass). Just my method and opinion. |
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motofly196 Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2008 Posts: 1467 Location: Eastern WA
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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I feel your pain! I just sent back WW rubber and spoke with Tony for awhile about the fitment of the stationary glass seals. I ended up buying my seals from Ronnie at Bustorations. Comparing the two side by side is incredible! I should of taken pics. Ronnies are from Germany, and made to VW spec. They have the correct sealing ribs, thickness, and preformed corners. They are $44each, and worth every penny. I busted 2 pieces of OG Sigla glass messing with the WW seals. Tony said he's looking at their rubber seals to see if something has happened with the sizing. Not trying to bash WW, I buy a ton from them, somethings just don't fit the way they should.
On stationary glass, I find it easier to insert the bottom first, and slowly work the glass into place side to side. Working it a little at a time until I get to the top. If you look at the angle of the window opening, it is canted inward. This works the best for me...just finished 4 of them. Lots of windex or 3M makes a great window cleaner/ lube that I got from my local glass shop. Good luck!
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61TXghia Samba Member
Joined: July 17, 2009 Posts: 950 Location: El Paso, TX
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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I use KY Jelly and it works great! OK, lets hear the jokes. LOL. Are your window frames smooth or rough, mine were rough due to primer and I smoothed them out with some sand paper and they went right in. _________________ 62 Standard Type 2 (Nothing Fancy)
my bus: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=464719
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sventinker Samba Member
Joined: June 10, 2009 Posts: 1481 Location: the sandbox
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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61TXghia wrote: |
I use KY Jelly and it works great! OK, lets hear the jokes. LOL. Are your window frames smooth or rough, mine were rough due to primer and I smoothed them out with some sand paper and they went right in. |
I use KY to shave (try it guys its amazing) and use windex for window installation along with yellow masons string its very smooth to the touch and have never hurt the rubber. _________________ April 3rd 62 standard mgr/pw
374 North American equipment
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Daddybus Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2000 Posts: 1651
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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scottf3334 wrote: |
Did all the windows in a bug with Astroglide and cheap cotton clothesline.
In case you don't know, Astroglide is a water based lubricant, designed not to affect latex. Just rinses away with no reside. There are some others out there. Look in the family planning aisle.
It is kind of expensive, but I'm sure you can find a use for the rest of the bottle |
They use a lot of that stuff in the San Fernando Valley. |
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galexander Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2003 Posts: 522 Location: Round Rock, TX
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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I saw this on the Samba a few years back and it works great for all seals...Baby Powder!
Putting the door frame seal in the channel with baby powder is so easy, it's almost unreal.
Plus, your Bus will smell nice. _________________ enjoy the journey,
Gary
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campingbox Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2000 Posts: 10192 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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motofly196 wrote: |
I feel your pain! I just sent back WW rubber and spoke with Tony for awhile about the fitment of the stationary glass seals. I ended up buying my seals from Ronnie at Bustorations. Comparing the two side by side is incredible! I should of taken pics. Ronnies are from Germany, and made to VW spec. They have the correct sealing ribs, thickness, and preformed corners. They are $44each, and worth every penny. I busted 2 pieces of OG Sigla glass messing with the WW seals. Tony said he's looking at their rubber seals to see if something has happened with the sizing. Not trying to bash WW, I buy a ton from them, somethings just don't fit the way they should.
On stationary glass, I find it easier to insert the bottom first, and slowly work the glass into place side to side. Working it a little at a time until I get to the top. If you look at the angle of the window opening, it is canted inward. This works the best for me...just finished 4 of them. Lots of windex or 3M makes a great window cleaner/ lube that I got from my local glass shop. Good luck!
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I installed two WW stationary seals yesterday, by myself. I had no issues. |
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marksch Samba Member
Joined: April 25, 2007 Posts: 180 Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:46 am Post subject: |
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We just did all the rubber on a 21 window with pink home depot marking string and corn starch. Last time I did this (which was years ago) we used soapy water which worked but I didnt like it. Somehow the idea of trapping water in the groves of the rubber just seemed like inviting rust down the road. _________________ http://66split.com - My 21 window Seebau / Cumulusweiß bus restoration project and the crazy drive across the country that followed. |
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LAGrunthaner Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2007 Posts: 5501 Location: 1st Coast
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:08 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the suggestions, I will go with motofly196 suggestion of buying Ronnies seal for the rear stationary glass and install all the jalousies. As you may be able to see the WW seal is super thick which is why it seems impossible to install. But I can't seem to locate it on his site. I will send a message for the correct link, http://www.bustoration.com/Seals-_c_32.html. I will also use the coated electrical wire and not 100% sure if I will use soapy water, powder, silicone or KY
I will also try the front & rear glass with the WW that I have and if I have trouble I will get those seals from Ronnie as well.
I will also recruit my neighbor during the week as he has a 67 and I am sure done this before as he owned his bus for over 20 years and does all his own work. If unavailable my spouse will help over the weekend.
Back to polishing.
My thick string didn't help the situation:
See how thick these seals are
motofly196 wrote: |
I feel your pain! I just sent back WW rubber and spoke with Tony for awhile about the fitment of the stationary glass seals. I ended up buying my seals from Ronnie at Bustorations. Comparing the two side by side is incredible! I should of taken pics. Ronnies are from Germany, and made to VW spec. They have the correct sealing ribs, thickness, and preformed corners. They are $44each, and worth every penny. I busted 2 pieces of OG Sigla glass messing with the WW seals. Tony said he's looking at their rubber seals to see if something has happened with the sizing. Not trying to bash WW, I buy a ton from them, somethings just don't fit the way they should.
On stationary glass, I find it easier to insert the bottom first, and slowly work the glass into place side to side. Working it a little at a time until I get to the top. If you look at the angle of the window opening, it is canted inward. This works the best for me...just finished 4 of them. Lots of windex or 3M makes a great window cleaner/ lube that I got from my local glass shop. Good luck!
Scott |
_________________ American Red Cross Safe And Well:
https://www.redcross.org/about-us/news-and-events/...bsite.html
Maui Roadsters
www.mauiroadsters.com
http://www.oacdp.org
Lind wrote: |
Have you considered simply starting with a nicer bus? I don't know what your skills are, but the race is easier if you can see the finish line. If you are not a runner, don't start off doing a marathon. |
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swervyjoe Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2004 Posts: 968 Location: denver, co
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:37 am Post subject: |
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I've put in sigla corner windows solo with astroglide, but I've since started using glycerine.
I used dish soap in the past, but stopped after pulling seals the seals and finding rust. I think I read that it has salt in it or something. |
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