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Bassyaks Samba Member
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Jake de Villiers Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2007 Posts: 5911 Location: Tsawwassen, BC
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westyventures Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2004 Posts: 2306 Location: Oregon Outback
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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I believe this is just another attempt by Ken Morgan (Jake, et al) to fool people into believing there is a new better rebuild option available. Do some checking to be sure...but otherwise AVOID! |
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Bassyaks Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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please explain who's Ken Morgan |
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westyventures Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2004 Posts: 2306 Location: Oregon Outback
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Bassyaks Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2010 Posts: 1137 Location: S.E. Connetitcut
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Damn, Thanks for the warning, I would love a 2.5 GW but can't handle warranty guide lines with rebuilding the cooling system which is fine.
Thanks Steve |
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mwsnow Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2007 Posts: 266 Location: Alton, NH
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, this one has SCAM written all over it
The whois data for waterboxer.com is private.
http://www.waterboxer.com/contact-us gives the following information:
120 Century West Ct. Unit 695
Cary, NC. 27513
Phone: 919-279-3338
Email: [email protected]
Neither Google nor MapQuest can find this address, or even the street.
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Plugging the phone number into Google leads to here:
http://outletengines.com/
with this contact info:
Street Address: 120 Centrewest Court Suite 692
Cary, NC, 27513
Phone: 919-279-3338
Email: [email protected]
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The internet Whois database links outletengines.com to:
Culbreth, Edric [email protected]
outlettechnologies
2325 sanderford rd
raleigh, North Carolina 27610
United States
BBB complaint here:
http://www.bbb.org/raleigh-durham/business-reviews...#breakdown
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BEWARE |
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Ahwahnee Samba Member
Joined: June 05, 2010 Posts: 9799 Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Also doing business as:
http://outletengines.com/
I don't see a connection to Ken Morgan/Jake Lake nor is it necessarily a scam... but it is at this point an unknown quantity in the biggest $$$ decision a van owner makes.
Engine rebuild is not an area I would care to roll the dice on. |
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D Clymer Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2005 Posts: 2978 Location: Issaquah, WA
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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I just looked at the website. This is definitely another Ken Morgan/Jake Lake alias business. The "hand planked" rods and "euro Syncro cam" are a dead giveaway. Steer clear! As strange as it may seem, the only rebuilt WBX engines that are a known quantity (known to be good) are Vanistan, Go Westy, and the guy that built Bob Donalds' engines. I would stick with those if you choose to stick with a WBX.
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Ahwahnee Samba Member
Joined: June 05, 2010 Posts: 9799 Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Good catch on the "hand planked".
I've done that to salmon but wouldn't know where to begin on a con rod. |
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onwardtothestars Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2007 Posts: 225 Location: Hazenville Pass Wyoming
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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I did a Whois on waterboxer.com once when I first found it and it was registered to ken Morgan. Now it appears to have been registered privately. _________________ lots of VW's |
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onwardtothestars Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2007 Posts: 225 Location: Hazenville Pass Wyoming
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mwsnow Samba Member
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westyventures Samba Member
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joseph928 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: Waterboxer Inc Rebuilds |
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Why would anyone with any sense not be able to pay $600.00 more and get a ten cent engine or a Go Westy , and deal with a known quantity. You get what you pay for! _________________ 1987 syncro westy tin top sun roof , GW2.3, rear locker, decoupler, Gary Lee tire rack & winch mount, lift, south african grill, big brakes , rhein alloy ,15 BFG AT, Fiamma 10 foot awning ,140 watt rear 85 watt front solar , mppt, truckfridge, automatic fire extinguishing system, tencent oil cooler, And a RMW SS exhaust! - 1971 bug convertible 1776 engine- 2010 Subaru turbo - 1993 Toyota 4x4 truck - 1999 Harley 95 CI, big bore, Andrews cams . Also 80-84- vans. Stock 65 sunroof bug. |
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onwardtothestars Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2007 Posts: 225 Location: Hazenville Pass Wyoming
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Funny, storage units were always kens favorite places to set up shop.
Lol yep, 'run a business'
I helped him move into one here in Colorado once, oh those were the days. _________________ lots of VW's |
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: Waterboxer Inc Rebuilds |
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joseph928 wrote: |
Why would anyone with any sense not be able to pay $600.00 more and get a ten cent engine or a Go Westy , and deal with a known quantity. You get what you pay for! |
$600 more for a Vanistan rebuild.....umm, no brainer
There is an ass for every seat and the cheap seats fill up fast |
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tencentlife Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 10078 Location: Abiquiu, NM, USA
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:32 am Post subject: |
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D Clymer wrote: |
This is definitely another Ken Morgan/Jake Lake alias business. The "hand planked" rods and "euro Syncro cam" are a dead giveaway. Steer clear! |
"Hand-planked": that's a moving-target-federal-wire-fraudster-known-as-Ken Morgan trademarked phrase, that's for sure. What does it mean, that he whacks 'em with a board or something? And there was no "Syncro" cam that I was ever aware of, euro or non. It's pure bullshit from morning to night, and night comes lonely at the storage locker.
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As strange as it may seem, the only rebuilt WBX engines that are a known quantity (known to be good) are Vanistan, Go Westy, and the guy that built Bob Donalds' engines. I would stick with those if you choose to stick with a WBX. |
You forgot Rocky Jennings. _________________ Shop for unique Vanagon accessories at the Vanistan shop:
https://intrepidoverland.com/vanistan/
Please don't PM here, I will not reply.
Experience is kryptonite to doctrine. |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2002 Posts: 12785 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:36 am Post subject: |
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there will be a never ending line of suckers to buy something if you claim it's "just as good only 20% cheaper", that's how this guy stays in business.....
People can't help themselves when they perceive a "deal"....
Some do it even when they know better. _________________ It's just advice, do whatever you want with it!
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Escorial Syncro Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2004 Posts: 437 Location: Manitou Springs, CO
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:15 am Post subject: |
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[email protected] wrote: |
there will be a never ending line of suckers to buy something if you claim it's "just as good only 20% cheaper", that's how this guy stays in business.....
People can't help themselves when they perceive a "deal"....
Some do it even when they know better. |
X2...and this goes for people not just buying from this guy, but those selling to him. Before I knew KM was Jake Lake I responded to a Craigslist ad for Vanagon stuff. I loaded up 4 waterboxers in my van to do some trading, sounded so good. When I arrived at a storage facility and a giant guy with a stitched-on name tag saying "Ken" on his shirt appeared, I told him I didn't appreciate his tactics and left. Can't believe he's still out there. Best way to stop the pusher is to cut off his supply. _________________ Joel Lane
1985 Vanagon converted to syncro, ALH TDI, Reimo Primus top with Westy interior
2002 Toyota Tundra 4x4
1974 Honda CL360 Scrambler (for sale!) |
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