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dubbified Samba Member
Joined: March 03, 2010 Posts: 1406 Location: Redmond, WA
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:30 pm Post subject: Carbon Monoxide detector? |
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Anyone have a suggestion on the multiple gas detector?
Seen one that does unspent LP/CNG, Carbon mono, etc
I'm using a standard battery operated, but I'd feel better with something that covers it all, even having a backup too.. cant be too sure I guess.
Any best deals on these things, most ideal places to install?
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DAIZEE Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2010 Posts: 7552 Location: Greater Toronto Area Ontario West Side
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:20 am Post subject: |
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Because of the nature of the various gases, one unit would not be as efficient as separate. ex. CO high, propane low, ionization detector not quite as high as CO. So far I have 2 and I'm looking for a propane one to mount as low as possible. I think it is one of those cases where a combined one would not be as efficient, effective and safe as individuals. IMHO
Mine are mounted on the rear driver's side closet wall with CO on top and immediately below an ionization smoke detector below. For smoke detector go with the ionization one as it recognizes changes in the air BEFORE smoke is present. _________________ '09 2.5L Jetta 5 cylinder, 5 spd, super turbo, see thread in H2O Cooled Jetta, etc...
83.5 Vanagon L Riviera Model with 98 1.9L TD AAZ 4 speed Daily Driver 3 out of 4 seasons (sold)
84 Vanagon GL Wolfsburg Westy WBX 4 speed (sold)
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1621 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:31 am Post subject: |
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This is the one I used. It's a combo LP/CO detector. I don't recall where I ordered it from, but a google search will no doubt find what you're looking for. This is a 12v model that's installed near the rear heater vent under the back bench. I put a simple switch in to shut it off when I'm not using the propane. Even though the draw is minimal, I don't like the idea of using the power aimlessly.
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dubbified Samba Member
Joined: March 03, 2010 Posts: 1406 Location: Redmond, WA
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:29 am Post subject: |
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Great trains of thought on both responses, thank you!
A switch is a very good idea, I'm going to definitely do that!
12v CO/LP does appear the way to go! |
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DAIZEE Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2010 Posts: 7552 Location: Greater Toronto Area Ontario West Side
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:53 am Post subject: |
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1621, I'm not sure that a CO monitor mounted that low is of any safety value until the van would be filled with CO. It's going to get high real fast and as I said by the time it triggers the low mounted CO alarm, the van would be filled up. I've worked with a lot of COed patients and I'd just not trust your configuration. IMHO. Monitors are one of the items that don't do all jobs well. Better individual monitors unless really really high tech which just wouldn't be affordable. Basically need 2 high (1 of them as high as possible) and 1 low as possible _________________ '09 2.5L Jetta 5 cylinder, 5 spd, super turbo, see thread in H2O Cooled Jetta, etc...
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madspaniard Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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DAIZEE wrote: |
1621, I'm not sure that a CO monitor mounted that low is of any safety value until the van would be filled with CO. |
It depends on how close the detector is to the source of CO. CO is lighter than air and raising warm air will take the CO with it but a low-mounted detector can be of help as well, better than nothing. One thing to consider is that we are talking about vans, not houses or big rooms, and there is a lot of ventilation already happening thru a lot of places.
I also have a propane/CO detector mounted almost in the same location as 1621, hardwired to my aux battery in the bench and with a switch as well. Do some testing and see how it works.. _________________ 1991 Westy auto w/ Peloquin TBD
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singler3360 Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 1191 Location: Corvallis, Oregon
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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I have the same LP/CO unit as Mad and 1621. I have to keep the sliding door closed during a fill-up, otherwise the fumes set it off. Anyone else have this problem? |
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dubbified Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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I saw a soleniod cut out version, definitely thinking about which to get and havent made a solid decision on this, but as propex season is to get up here quick, a decision has to be right quick.. |
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1621 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:23 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info Daizee. You may be correct in stating it should be mounted higher, but I went with the instructions included with the alarm when installing it. It states at least four inches off the floor and no higher than 20 inches. I considered a few other locations, but this one proved to be good based on the instructions, but is by no means the only mounting location. The instructions for anyone interested in this unit can be found at the bottom link. There are other location guidelines contained within as well. Your point made me go back and do more research on CO detectors and the following quote was taken from the wiki page regarding detectors:
"CO detectors can be placed near the ceiling or near the floor because CO is very close to the same density as air.[4][5]"
Wiki page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide_detector
As for filling the propane with the door open, I would expect this to trigger the alarm. I just make certain to keep mine switched off during filling.
https://www.dyersonline.com/lightspeed.php/aitdownloadablefiles/download/aitfile/aitfile_id/925/ _________________ '85 Westy |
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maco70 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:15 am Post subject: |
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Hi to all of you,
I just bought and received the Safe-T-Alert combo detector.
I would like to ask you this : Why it is a good idea to put a switch to cut off the detector when we are not using propane?
Is it to preserve the detector and make it last for a longer period of time?
Thanks _________________ Martin from Montréal
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climberjohn Samba Member
Joined: January 11, 2005 Posts: 1840 Location: Portland Orygun
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:15 am Post subject: |
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maco70 wrote: |
Hi to all of you,
I just bought and received the Safe-T-Alert combo detector.
I would like to ask you this : Why it is a good idea to put a switch to cut off the detector when we are not using propane?
Is it to preserve the detector and make it last for a longer period of time?
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Martin,
Methinks the idea is to reduce the power draw on your aux battery. The detector draws some small amount of power to function. Why have it on when you do not need it? The switch turns it off.
-CJ _________________ '86 Westy, 2.5 Subaru power
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maco70 Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2011 Posts: 456 Location: Montréal, Québec
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Thanks!
Then, i will put a switch also, to preserve the battery. _________________ Martin from Montréal
1986 Vanagon GL full camper westfalia
(brown/tan interior)
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PDXWesty Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2006 Posts: 6247 Location: Portland OR
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:01 am Post subject: |
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You can also get oxygen depletion sensors. They work for all gasses but are far more expensive. _________________ 89 Westy 2.1 Auto |
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DAIZEE Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2010 Posts: 7552 Location: Greater Toronto Area Ontario West Side
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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I went with a self contained battery, which alerts me when it needs replacing and it is always on. I also went with the ceiling mount as I sleep in the top 1/2 of the interior. Having worked with CO poisoning patients, I am very surprised re okay at floor level. I stopped in at a Fire Station before I mounted my 2 alarms. Still looking for a propane to put at floor level. I will want it self contained battery also.
I'm very surprised at the floor level approval for mounting but I believe you. Experience is my teacher
ps. the only time I'd have that switch off is when I'd not be using the van. Remember to have it on when driving, especially if people in the back. CO is insidious and you just don't know it's there. Mine is on all the time and the batteries last a whole season and I don't have to remember to turn it on. I drive and sleep with windows open but I sleep more confidently. Just my opinionated opinion _________________ '09 2.5L Jetta 5 cylinder, 5 spd, super turbo, see thread in H2O Cooled Jetta, etc...
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madspaniard Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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DAIZEE wrote: |
I'm very surprised at the floor level approval for mounting but I believe you. |
The most probable cause is that it is a dual detector, CO sensor might be OK high or low, but propane sensor clearly needs to be low _________________ 1991 Westy auto w/ Peloquin TBD
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