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kingsfanrob
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 Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:47 pm Post subject: Brake support bracket |
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| Did a search an found a few threads that addressed my questions, but not all of them. 56 pan with pan halves replaced, a long time ago. The pan halves have only one hole for the bracket, all of the searches mentioned cutting and welding, but can I install the bracket without any welding? |
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2Dokas
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I could not figure out how,
i didnt want to weld more to the pan after all the primer and finish coat
but really there is more of an issue of welding, the area needing the new weld nut is not flat but on a arc.
So, I made 2 wedges, one for under the pedal assembly and one for under the pan.
I used a weld nut from WW and attached it to a small rod about 1/8" in diameter and welded it to the pan.
Welded both to the pan and had to use a slightly longer bolt
Wanted to turn the weld nut over but was too long.
If i was more patient I would have drilled a larger hole and placed the weld nut up inside and welded it there but, well I was not, am not 
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kingsfanrob
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks. I was afraid welding was going to be the best option. Why couldn't they have made the Gerson pans when this one was repaired. |
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Soul Built
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| So, does anyone know what implications might be created by using a bolt through the support plates and nuts on the underside of the pan? |
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Schwing
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Soul Built
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Schwing wrote: |
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| So, does anyone know what implications might be created by using a bolt through the support plates and nuts on the underside of the pan? |
Thats what I kinda did. I think it just doesn't look as correct. I ended up welding nuts on the bottom of my floor pans for the bolts to go into. |
Did you use a plate under the pan as well or did you rely on the nut/bolt combo for the support? |
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Schwing
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Chris Hollaway
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| I took my pan an cut the dip out of it and welded a flat piece back in, then took a piece of steel, drilled and tapped two holes and welded to the bottom. I need to get some shorter bolts though. |
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GermanRust52
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GermanRust52
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GermanRust52
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GermanRust52
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srj1200
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 10:58 am Post subject: Re: Brake support bracket |
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question on this older thread. i have new pan halves installed and powder coated on the oval. i noticed i only have one threaded hole. at least it looks threaded before it was powder coated. does anyone know if this will be ok just to use one support bolt? and, what size bolt is this? thanks for the help. not sure where these pan halves came from either.
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VW_Jimbo 
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Brake support bracket |
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question on this older thread. i have new pan halves installed and powder coated on the oval. i noticed i only have one threaded hole. at least it looks threaded before it was powder coated. does anyone know if this will be ok just to use one support bolt? and, what size bolt is this? thanks for the help. not sure where these pan halves came from either.
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Not sure. It depends on the pan, tunnel and pedal assembly you have. If it is all Oval’ish, you probably need the double hole retainer plate. It sits on the bottom side of the pan and is welded to the pan. Looks like this. I had to transfer that piece when I restored my current 54 Bug. Check out my thread, page 5.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...p;start=80
About half way down.
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Brake support bracket |
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question on this older thread. i have new pan halves installed and powder coated on the oval. i noticed i only have one threaded hole. at least it looks threaded before it was powder coated. does anyone know if this will be ok just to use one support bolt? and, what size bolt is this? thanks for the help. not sure where these pan halves came from either.
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Go thru your spare bolts and look for ones with 13mm (used after 1960 model year) or the earlier 14mm heads, and test if one of those will fit the hole. Once you have that you will need a tap to clean out the powder coating now in the internal threads. Plus add in threads into the other nut blank of threads. So with the now tested bolt you can go down to your local hardware store to match the bolt to a tap there. Ace Hardware stores usually carry a decent less expensive threading tools, but also a great fastener aisle that have measuring tools out for customers to use to find out what thread size/pitch they need.
Now I am taking the time to write all of this because your floor pan is not out of the VW factory, so no way to know from here for sure if the stock thread pitch/size were even used. Factory bolt I think was 10mm x 1.25 thread. It just might be the same size, but different thread pitch or visa versa.
You can lookup that bolt and a lot more in the original VW dealer parts manual. It is a later beetle manual that also covers 1960 and early 1970s beetles, but still covers most of the oval era parts. Just the exploded diagrams are worth it to look thru there.
Do check out the other great VW info on the first web page in the below link takes you to when you have a chance. For the beetle parts manual for now that is accessible thru the "Upcoming" button at the top of that webpage.
http://www.oacdp.org/
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