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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:40 pm    Post subject: Windshield install, how did you do it? Reply with quote

There are probably many ways to do this, but how did YOU install the windshield?

i tried yesterday with 3 people and failed.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=341234&highlight=windshield+install
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never done it but I'll have a go at explaining how I've heard it's done and others can correct me if I'm wrong. Very Happy

Put the rubber on the window and run electrical wire or strong cord in the groove around the outside where it supposed to fit in the body leaving a good length of the end hanging out at a corner. Lay the window on the body where it's supposed to go and, from the inside of the car, pull the cord in which pulls one lip of the seal in also. Once the cord is pulled all the way out around the rubber, the window's in. It probably helps to have someone on the outside stabilizing everything during the process.

Piece of cake, right? Confused

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OK, now I'll go read the thread docdan posted while I was writing and previewing. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey! I was pretty much right! Very Happy

Now I just need to do it someday.... Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

never done a sb but its the same as far as i know. put the rubber on the glass with the trim if you are using it. in the channel on the outer perimeter of the rubber (the channel that fits over the spot welded flange on the widow opening) place a piece of nylon cord. wrap the cord once around the window in that channel, with one end of the cord hanging out a bit. tie it to a small piece of pipe or some other stick to work as a handle. now, have a friend put the window in place and push with a moderate amount of pressure. as he does this you are going to pull the cord. as you pull the cord the lip of rubber around the seal will be pulled over the spot welded flange in the window frame. some times I have put a little liquid soap or Vaseline on the chord, or sprayed a little window cleaner on the seal to help the seal pull around easier.

I hope that made sense, its late.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I did was I just paid 2 Mexicans in a pickup truck $200 and they brought me a new windshield and seal and they installed it for me. Best part is if they break it, they buy a new one. If you break it, you buy a new one. Plus, they got it done in like 10 minutes.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just put the windows into my '73 SB, piece-o-cake! Put the rubber on the windows, put 12 gauge wire (insulated, stranded works best) in the slot around that (where the body lip will rest). Use Ivory soap as a lubricant. Set window in opening and pull the wire across the glass (away from the metal lip). The window will probably need some "repositioning" during the install, I just carefully "thumped" it with the palm of my hands until it was sitting right, then continued with the wire. Did it with no helper in less than 5 minutes per window (once the rubber was on).
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure if it applies to you, but when I did my 71 SB, I did not realize that I was supposed to remove the metal clips around the frame before installing the new windshield. The clips are ONLY for the original factory install and trying to install a replacement windshield with them is terrible. I actually eventually got the windshield in, but it would have gone much faster, easier and been a neater install had I removed those clips. Also - I use silicone spray as a lubricant - bad idea as it never gets out of the seal which means the rubber does not seal to the glass properly (small leaks). Use another form of lubricant - some people say soapy water works well. I used a weed whacker line to pull the seal - others say string works well.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ERIC WC's advice about removing the metal clip/strip from the front window is right on. I wasted a lot of time on my '70 standard windshield before I figured that out. The new gaskets aren't made to accommodate those metal safety strips. Keep the window centered; mark it and the car with a marker before you start. All that pulling w/ a string will take it out of position near the end of the job, then you'll have to start over if you don't pay attention.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ERIC WC wrote:
Not sure if it applies to you, but when I did my 71 SB, I did not realize that I was supposed to remove the metal clips around the frame before installing the new windshield. The clips are ONLY for the original factory install and trying to install a replacement windshield with them is terrible. I actually eventually got the windshield in, but it would have gone much faster, easier and been a neater install had I removed those clips. Also - I use silicone spray as a lubricant - bad idea as it never gets out of the seal which means the rubber does not seal to the glass properly (small leaks). Use another form of lubricant - some people say soapy water works well. I used a weed whacker line to pull the seal - others say string works well.


Yes. Remove the metal clips/teeth/etc.

Use soapy water and NO silicone spray, just as Eric says.

I use strong twine.

If it's not going in right, just take it out and start over.

Have a helper hold the glass from the outside, but make sure they don't push in on the glass. Years ago my dad did that and cracked a windshield I was installing.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can find old factory footage of the VW plant, those guys are smacking the glass with their hand pretty hard, also using rubber mallets!

When I installed mine, i smacked the outside pretty hard while my buddy pulled the cord from the inside.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We palm-smacked the windshield pretty hard from the outside to set it in. I think hard palm smacking is less likely to break it than a more constant pressure, but that's just my thoughts.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maximan1 wrote:
What I did was I just paid 2 Mexicans in a pickup truck $200 and they brought me a new windshield and seal and they installed it for me. Best part is if they break it, they buy a new one. If you break it, you buy a new one. Plus, they got it done in like 10 minutes.


Mexicans are going to kinda hard to find in the Netherlands...
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The metal teeth are there to meet DOT windshield retention in an accident standarts. The teeth are designed to grip the gasket in a collision keeping the windshield from flying out.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IHC wrote:
The metal teeth are there to meet DOT windshield retention in an accident standarts. The teeth are designed to grip the gasket in a collision keeping the windshield from flying out.


The metal teeth may have been designed that way for the factory install, but the new seals are NOT designed to work with the teeth - trust me.

Frankly in a collision with a flat screen beetle, the windshield flying out sounds more like a safety feature than trying to keep in in place so my head can go through it Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VeeDubDoug wrote:
Mexicans are going to kinda hard to find in the Netherlands...


Awesome! Smile Made my day!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ERIC WC wrote:
VeeDubDoug wrote:
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Awesome! Smile Made my day!


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going to give the weed wacker wire/palm tapping helper thing a try on sunday, i don't have any metal clips btw.

thanx guys, this forum has helped me so much during my build Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone has their own preferences. I've installed a dozen or so windshields and/or rear/side windows, and never had any need to hit the glass with anything, including my hand.


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The metal teeth may have been designed that way for the factory install, but the new seals are NOT designed to work with the teeth - trust me.


Excellent advice Eric. I've struggled with that on one windshield. One was enough; we removed the teeth.
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