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Kirk
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 Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:51 am Post subject: Window binds about 1/2 down |
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Rolling down either window, and it binds about half way down. Add a little pressure, almost to the point you think something might break, it rolls the rest of the way down. Rolls up fine. Took the panels off, lubricated everything, worked better a time or two, sat two days, back. I've studied the bentley and the inside of this door, but I honestly dont see anything binding. Wanting suggestions if you have them.
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My windows were very hard to roll up and down, almost to the point that the you thought the handle might break! On rainy days, the windows went up and down a lot easier. So I tried some silicone spray to keep the furry felt channels lubed. That only lasted a few days and the windows would be hard to roll up and down again. I finally replaced the furry felt channels and the windows now go and down like they are supposed to.
I noticed that the old channels had sort of melted into a sticky rubbery goo in some places, probably from different lubricants that had been used on them. You might have the same problem. |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: Window binds about 1/2 down |
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71 Squareback
Rolling down either window, and it binds about half way down. Add a little pressure, almost to the point you think something might break, it rolls the rest of the way down. Rolls up fine. Took the panels off, lubricated everything, worked better a time or two, sat two days, back. I've studied the bentley and the inside of this door, but I honestly dont see anything binding. Wanting suggestions if you have them.
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The next time you have both the door panel and the plastic vapor barrier out, look at the large square of sound deadening material that's attached to the door skin. You'll probably find that the top of it has seperated from the door, and is catching the window or window arm on the way down. I've found this issue in 6 cars already, and 3 of them were from Texas.  My guess is that the Texas heat causes the "tar" to seperate from the steel of the door.
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ataraxia
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: Window binds about 1/2 down |
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| Kirk wrote: |
71 Squareback
Rolling down either window, and it binds about half way down. Add a little pressure, almost to the point you think something might break, it rolls the rest of the way down. Rolls up fine. Took the panels off, lubricated everything, worked better a time or two, sat two days, back. I've studied the bentley and the inside of this door, but I honestly dont see anything binding. Wanting suggestions if you have them.
Thanks. |
The next time you have both the door panel and the plastic vapor barrier out, look at the large square of sound deadening material that's attached to the door skin. You'll probably find that the top of it has seperated from the door, and is catching the window or window arm on the way down. I've found this issue in 6 cars already, and 3 of them were from Texas. My guess is that the Texas heat causes the "tar" to seperate from the steel of the door. |
I would suggest the same thing...I just took a 72 Square apart where the driver's side window wouldn't roll down all the way but rolled up just fine. It was the tar sound deadening that peeled off the door. Also check to make sure all of the bolts are tight on the regulator. |
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peaceful warrior
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Did you put in new felt window guides?
If so, I remember when I installed them in the 69 Sqbk, I had to use a large screwdriver after they were installed to spread them a bit. The windows were actually binding in the channels from about halfway down to all the way down.
Something else to look at.
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Did you put in new felt window guides?
If so, I remember when I installed them in the 69 Sqbk, I had to use a large screwdriver after they were installed to spread them a bit. The windows were actually binding in the channels from about halfway down to all the way down.
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There's a special thinner piece that goes in the channel attached to the wind wing. The regular stuff is too thick and causes this.
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peaceful warrior
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Did you put in new felt window guides?
If so, I remember when I installed them in the 69 Sqbk, I had to use a large screwdriver after they were installed to spread them a bit. The windows were actually binding in the channels from about halfway down to all the way down.
Something else to look at. |
There's a special thinner piece that goes in the channel attached to the wind wing. The regular stuff is too thick and causes this. |
I used what I could get from ISP West. It was the regular stuff then?
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when new felt channels are installed, you need to lubricate them where the glass slides with some silicone spray during assembly and again in 2-3 months, then yearly as necessary... otherwise the channels go dry, the glass can bind
you can help the new channels by spreading them open with a flat screwdriver the same thickness of the glass during installation, but be careful not to tear the new felt |
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Bobnotch
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when new felt channels are installed, you need to lubricate them where the glass slides with some silicone spray during assembly and again in 2-3 months, then yearly as necessary... otherwise the channels go dry, the glass can bind
you can help the new channels by spreading them open with a flat screwdriver the same thickness of the glass during installation, but be careful not to tear the new felt |
The ones I got thru Tram, didn't need any of that. They fit into the channel like they were made for it (even had a 311 part number). All I had to do to install them, was glue them in place. 
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peaceful warrior
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when new felt channels are installed, you need to lubricate them where the glass slides with some silicone spray during assembly and again in 2-3 months, then yearly as necessary... otherwise the channels go dry, the glass can bind
you can help the new channels by spreading them open with a flat screwdriver the same thickness of the glass during installation, but be careful not to tear the new felt |
The ones I got thru Tram, didn't need any of that. They fit into the channel like they were made for it (even had a 311 part number). All I had to do to install them, was glue them in place. |
Bob, George didn't tell you he took them out of a Mercedes 300 series...  
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Okay, I'll re open them tonight. I did notice the top of the sound pad was loose, and hanging down some. I stuck it back, but I bet you the 104 degree Texas weather made it fall again. Who knows how hot that garage is. I did not replace the felts and channels. They looked good. Loose, but in very decent shape. Thanks for the tips. I would try to keep all my questions in my square thread, but I figured I'd get answered this way.
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| peaceful warrior wrote: |
| Bobnotch wrote: |
| sprintstar.com wrote: |
when new felt channels are installed, you need to lubricate them where the glass slides with some silicone spray during assembly and again in 2-3 months, then yearly as necessary... otherwise the channels go dry, the glass can bind
you can help the new channels by spreading them open with a flat screwdriver the same thickness of the glass during installation, but be careful not to tear the new felt |
The ones I got thru Tram, didn't need any of that. They fit into the channel like they were made for it (even had a 311 part number). All I had to do to install them, was glue them in place. |
Bob, George didn't tell you he took them out of a Mercedes 300 series... |
Maybe so, but they fit better than t-1 pieces.  I didn't have to do anything but glue them in. I didn't use a stir stick, or spray silicone or any of that crap to make the window gluide up and down in the opening, just glue the pieces in. Why can't "other" t-3 suppliers get correct parts like these??
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| peaceful warrior wrote: |
| Bobnotch wrote: |
| sprintstar.com wrote: |
when new felt channels are installed, you need to lubricate them where the glass slides with some silicone spray during assembly and again in 2-3 months, then yearly as necessary... otherwise the channels go dry, the glass can bind
you can help the new channels by spreading them open with a flat screwdriver the same thickness of the glass during installation, but be careful not to tear the new felt |
The ones I got thru Tram, didn't need any of that. They fit into the channel like they were made for it (even had a 311 part number). All I had to do to install them, was glue them in place. |
Bob, George didn't tell you he took them out of a Mercedes 300 series... |
Maybe so, but they fit better than t-1 pieces. I didn't have to do anything but glue them in. I didn't use a stir stick, or spray silicone or any of that crap to make the window gluide up and down in the opening, just glue the pieces in. Why can't "other" t-3 suppliers get correct parts like these?? |
Because other people accept this:
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when new felt channels are installed, you need to lubricate them where the glass slides with some silicone spray during assembly and again in 2-3 months, then yearly as necessary... otherwise the channels go dry, the glass can bind
you can help the new channels by spreading them open with a flat screwdriver the same thickness of the glass during installation, but be careful not to tear the new felt |
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Bobnotch
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| Bobnotch wrote: |
| peaceful warrior wrote: |
| Bobnotch wrote: |
| sprintstar.com wrote: |
when new felt channels are installed, you need to lubricate them where the glass slides with some silicone spray during assembly and again in 2-3 months, then yearly as necessary... otherwise the channels go dry, the glass can bind
you can help the new channels by spreading them open with a flat screwdriver the same thickness of the glass during installation, but be careful not to tear the new felt |
The ones I got thru Tram, didn't need any of that. They fit into the channel like they were made for it (even had a 311 part number). All I had to do to install them, was glue them in place. |
Bob, George didn't tell you he took them out of a Mercedes 300 series... |
Maybe so, but they fit better than t-1 pieces. I didn't have to do anything but glue them in. I didn't use a stir stick, or spray silicone or any of that crap to make the window gluide up and down in the opening, just glue the pieces in. Why can't "other" t-3 suppliers get correct parts like these?? |
Because other people accept this:
| sprintstar.com wrote: |
when new felt channels are installed, you need to lubricate them where the glass slides with some silicone spray during assembly and again in 2-3 months, then yearly as necessary... otherwise the channels go dry, the glass can bind
you can help the new channels by spreading them open with a flat screwdriver the same thickness of the glass during installation, but be careful not to tear the new felt |
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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| Bobnotch wrote: |
| sprintstar.com wrote: |
when new felt channels are installed, you need to lubricate them where the glass slides with some silicone spray during assembly and again in 2-3 months, then yearly as necessary... otherwise the channels go dry, the glass can bind
you can help the new channels by spreading them open with a flat screwdriver the same thickness of the glass during installation, but be careful not to tear the new felt |
The ones I got thru Tram, didn't need any of that. They fit into the channel like they were made for it (even had a 311 part number). All I had to do to install them, was glue them in place. |
Bob, George didn't tell you he took them out of a Mercedes 300 series... |
If it fits and works, I don't give a rip if it came out of a Hyundai.
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