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Torque Junkie Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2012 Posts: 43 Location: Orange County CA
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:36 pm Post subject: Please stop poking wires |
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For the love of VW's please stop using this practice of diagnosing electrical systems. Sitting in traffic on my way home tonight from my 2 hour commute I found the temp gauge creeping higher and higher. I got home to find corrosion coming out of the B+ going into the fan switch on the radiator causing the fan to work intermittently. There are holes in all the wires from someone trying to diagnose a problem earlier in my van's life only to cause me heartache now.
Anybody have an idea where to get a replacement connector without holes poked in them?
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dubbified Samba Member
Joined: March 03, 2010 Posts: 1406 Location: Redmond, WA
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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One could disassemble the wire/housing, and pull some wire through, resolder/crimp and reuse the connector.
Have not done this exact one, but others very similar to this one. |
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randywebb Samba Member
Joined: February 15, 2005 Posts: 3815 Location: Greater Metropolitan Nimrod, Orygun
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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get some Liquid Tape in the color of your choice - clean the wire & apply it _________________ 1986 2.1L Westy 2wd Auto Trans. |
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dubbified Samba Member
Joined: March 03, 2010 Posts: 1406 Location: Redmond, WA
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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like he said, the rust/de-funct status is questionable, and he wants to fix/replace the damage. |
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jackbombay Samba Member
Joined: October 19, 2007 Posts: 2723 Location: Eastern Idaho
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: Please stop poking wires |
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Torque Junkie wrote: |
For the love of VW's please stop using this practice of diagnosing electrical systems. |
I've done it for a while and never had any problems from it, fwiw. _________________
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WLD*WSTY Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2009 Posts: 438 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: Please stop poking wires |
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Torque Junkie wrote: |
For the love of VW's please stop using this practice of diagnosing electrical systems. Sitting in traffic on my way home tonight from my 2 hour commute I found the temp gauge creeping higher and higher. I got home to find corrosion coming out of the B+ going into the fan switch on the radiator causing the fan to work intermittently. There are holes in all the wires from someone trying to diagnose a problem earlier in my van's life only to cause me heartache now.
Anybody have an idea where to get a replacement connector without holes poked in them?
Sam |
Are you sure the poked wires are the problem, and not (a) corroded contacts in the connection, or (b) intermittent operation of the switch? _________________ '82 SyncroWesty, the first ever conversion.'06 Subaru 2.5L |
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CessnaJon Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2008 Posts: 677 Location: Senoia,GA
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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I was repairing the very same holes in my harness near the drivers rear light tonight- looks like they were trying to install a trailer light plug. What a crappy way to do things. _________________ 1973 Westy (shared birthday)
1990 Westy Multivan
2015 Passat TDI 6sp
2015 Sportwagon TDI 6sp
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nocreditnodebt Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2012 Posts: 332 Location: Socal
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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I've also had a number of wires that were prodded in the past give me issues.
If I absolutely have to do it, I clean the wires with rubbing alcohol, then use a small sewing needle to pierce the insulation leaving the smallest hole, and then a dab of RTV smeared into the hole after ward. |
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Torque Junkie Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2012 Posts: 43 Location: Orange County CA
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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The damage is done. The connectors and contacts are clean. The corrosion is inside the wire casing and has compromised the continuity. I can do a voltage drop from the fues panel and there isn't enough potential voltage to turn the fan on. I don't think I can shorten the harness enough to reuse the connector housing either so a cut lead is needed.
My wife is a little upset now that she has to drive the van until it gets fixed. Her commute is only 5 miles and it barely has a chance to reach operating temp.
I hadn't had an issue until I started my new job and have to sit in traffic on my way home for a couple of hours. Luckily the A/C works and the fan override cooled the motor down otherwise I'd have been done. |
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Torque Junkie Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2012 Posts: 43 Location: Orange County CA
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: Please stop poking wires |
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WLD*WSTY wrote: |
Are you sure the poked wires are the problem, and not (a) corroded contacts in the connection, or (b) intermittent operation of the switch? |
I've got a switch on the way just to lower the temp threshold, but all I had to do was touch the wires and the fan started up. The worst one was the B+ (30) on the connector that feeds voltage to the switch. |
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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CessnaJon wrote: |
I was repairing the very same holes in my harness near the drivers rear light tonight- looks like they were trying to install a trailer light plug. What a crappy way to do things. |
I make trailer light and brake modulator connections inside the engine bay black box |
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jordauto Samba Member
Joined: August 12, 2011 Posts: 218 Location: Sorrento,BC
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:49 am Post subject: |
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That is one of the biggest problems we find in the auto repair trade. That is also the reason we now have back probe pins,that get inserted under the connector boot and up to the terminals without compromising the wire's insulation. This may not be a problem in some of the dry hot states, but it sure is any where that has winter. Especially if salt is used on the roads.The salt somehow finds its way into that tiny hole and slowly eats through the copper wires and then you're left with a wire that may look OK, but is open circuit or is degraded so bad that it can't carry the load it should. Easy to find when its a big amp circuit like a rad fan,the worst is when you're dealing with a sensor signal return circuit that still works but has enough corrosion to increase resistance in the circuit causing the sensor signal to be incorrect or out of range. So yes I agree,please stop poking wires. |
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jackbombay Samba Member
Joined: October 19, 2007 Posts: 2723 Location: Eastern Idaho
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:31 am Post subject: |
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jordauto wrote: |
That is one of the biggest problems we find in the auto repair trade. That is also the reason we now have back probe pins,that get inserted under the connector boot and up to the terminals without compromising the wire's insulation. This may not be a problem in some of the dry hot states, but it sure is any where that has winter. |
It snows every month of the year here (average of over 500" of snow a year at the hill 10 miles from my house), although july and august snow is rare, no salt on the roads though, and as I mentioned earlier, probed wires have never caused me any issues on my vehicles in 15 years of wrenching. _________________
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GrindGarage Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2008 Posts: 710 Location: Ocean City, NJ
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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I am never a big fan of it either but I do own a power probe with the nifty probe that pierces the wire. I like to do it away from the connector and then grease the area once diagnostics are complete. I am never worried about my harness having corrosion. After before and after offroading I am a big fan over the WD-40 on everything. I buy the big shot cans and do everything from them bumpers / rockers down and in the engine bay as well.
Different strokes for different folks.
Oh and I live on an island covered in humidity and salt. _________________ -cliff
91 Vanagon AUTO
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Torque Junkie Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2012 Posts: 43 Location: Orange County CA
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Here's what the inside of the wire looked like. Only half of the strands where actually connected all the way through at best. The rest where separated by corrosion.
I ended up just shortening up the harness by about 2 inches and put new ends on the wires. I reused the original connector housing and rubber cover. It still looks factory. |
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Bercilak Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2009 Posts: 391
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:11 am Post subject: |
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TJ ~
Since you're local like me, might as well find heaven. It's in Elsinore. And it's called:
Interstate Used Parts
http://www.interstateusedparts.com/
I'm going over in a week or so to get a real Bosch starter to rebuild and last another 25 years.
They have everything. Many times over. And the owner is, by any standard, awesome.
Best,
B. |
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Torque Junkie Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2012 Posts: 43 Location: Orange County CA
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:57 am Post subject: |
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Bercilak wrote: |
TJ ~
Since you're local like me, might as well find heaven. It's in Elsinore. And it's called:
Interstate Used Parts
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I was there yesterday. They wouldn't separate the connector from the front harness. No big deal. I made it work.
I do enjoy going there. It take me back to the days where wrecking yard where more common in the area. I spent about 3 hours last weekend wandering around. Hopefully the city doesn't succeed in kicking them out, but it doesn't look good.
Sam |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12115 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder if ol pokey was the cause of this little confounding mystery from a few years back
_________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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