"Bastard" Engines

zuggbug · Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:31 pm Post subject:

Great job on the engine build
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ryanrcs · Samba Member Joined: April 30, 2006 Posts: 97 Location: SC

Yeah old pic Kevin. I am so glad I decided to go with Kevin. The entire build has been great.

kevnmarcie · Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:02 pm Post subject:

kevnmarcie · Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:34 am Post subject:

a few of the little jewels that went into this build...

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hazetguy · Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:56 am Post subject:

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kevnmarcie · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:44 pm Post subject:

I am near bastard, hear me (nearly) roar....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29797613@N06/6906626314/in/photostream

The mic on the camera exaggerates the high pitched sounds so it sounds like it needs a valve adjustment. It is actually idling at about 500rpm

Middle child · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:38 am Post subject: Bastard engine.

Boy am I an idiot. I've heard this term bantered about before but didn't do the research on what anyone was talking about. Surprising in that I own a '60 Kombi. Embarassed

Not sure of the engine or the number but it is definately a 1960.

Middle child · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:46 am Post subject: Re: Bastard engine.

21-window · Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:39 am Post subject:

Does anyone know how VW identified an original bastard that had been updated or replaced by VW during the time?

What type of markings did they put on the engine case?

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glutamodo · Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:56 am Post subject:

Here's what the P means:

volkswagenman · Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:38 am Post subject:

I started building my engine and have a lot of information found on the samba.com. So I wondered whether my original engine. I've checked the numbers and it would be an engine of July 1961 but my bus is from December 1960. Well I've read a lot about the "bastard" engine and come to discover that there are many "bastard" parts on my engine such as valve covers, alternator mount, I think the third generation bastard cylinder heads, also there were oversized crankshaft bearings and oversize original vw pistons. all cylinders are original vw. Also I had read about coper cylinder head gasket / rings on my engine were that only the "bastard" engine would have. The air filter seems a "bastard". Now I wonder if it the original engine could be. On the engine were placed the wrong imitation carburetor and ignition. Now I'm around to reading the samba.com but I can not figure out what carburetor fuel and ignition are original would have. Can anyone possibly tell me more about it. sorry for my bad english. I use google translator ... Embarassed

Here are some pictures of the engine.

BulliBill · Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:06 pm Post subject:

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Eric&Barb · Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:35 pm Post subject:

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RandyUK · Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:32 pm Post subject:

First post, so Hi all!

On the subject of bastard engines...

I have an early 1960 model year beetle which has been off the road and unused since 1987. Most of the work on the shell is done so I started on the motor yesterday, and noticed a few quirky parts!

Engine number is 5887007. The engine number is recessed - cold this be restamped?

Cylinder heads have part number 113.101.371.B which I believe indicated 1965? And I don't have the Bastard style cylinder tinwear with the raised cylinder number section.

Cylinders are the early style as shown earlier in this thread and the top of the piston is stamped with 77.45 so would this be bastard or not?

There was a bodged home made joining pipe from heat exchanger to the silencer as they didn't quite match up - another point covered in this thread!

I gather that it's slightly more difficult to identify a bastard from just the few examples I've listed above, but I wasn't planning on splitting the cases. I have dismantled the top end to fit new pushrod tubes and seals (and for some reason there was a single pushrod missing from No.4!?)

Oh and the fuel pump isn't a bastard style either - it doesn't have the vertical feed to the carb. When I got the car, there wasn't a carb fitted.

Whilst I like originality, it's not a major sticking point. So if it's a bastard engine would I be better off purchasing a replacement that's a little more common? Or, from what I've said, does it look like its a reconditioned one?

Thanks

Eric&Barb · Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:33 pm Post subject:

Any engine number could have been restamped. The engine part number on the case below the pushrod tubes on the other hand.

Still any engine could and can be modified to work with other later parts...

36 & 40 HP engines used 77 mm pistons and cylinders. So did Bastard 40 HP....

Being that the Bastard 40 HP engine is rather hard to find and the FW seal is unique to it, if the engine you have is that it would be better to sell it off and get a better later engine case for your project.
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