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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:40 pm    Post subject: Aluminum cylinder shims Reply with quote

Has anyone had any experience with aluminum shims under the barrels?
I am going to make my own and I have a slug of 6160 round stock that's already close to the correct OD.... I have always seen them made from steel.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you look real hard you may find a couple shops that sell custom aluminum spacers, so I don't see why not, I mean the case is pretty much aluminum too, so if you can machine your own go for it...sorry this ain't really experience, but it does give you an opinion
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sure would not waste that round stock on a $9-23 part,and the time to do it, & I make all kinds of stuff, you could however if you wanted to make some aluminum shims cut the top off some v9 pistons & make them from that, use forged pistons,Ive made a lot of stuff from them tooling,to steering wheel adaptr. there has been many times I wished I had a slug as big as what you have there. Ive used aluminum head gaskets/spacer too on my old 1874 where the piston was out of the deck about .090" the gasket was .060 and the step in the head was too long ago to remember,but ended up with about .035 quench. so it was a spacer and a gasket. I dont rember who made them.sorry fer the spellenIm tired.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark tucker wrote:
I sure would not waste that round stock on a $9-23 part,and the time to do it.


I totally agree.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Already priced some from rimco....150 bux made from steel.
I work at a custom machines facility.... I'm not a machinist, but an electrician. One of the machinist said he will help me make some. The ones I need are .100 inch, so they're not just off the shelf items.

I have some cold roll flat stock that measures .100, so we were gonna make them from that, but today I found two pieces of round stock aluminum in the scrap bin.... It would be easier to just spin that in a lathe and machine it.... I just wasn't sure about using it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

150$?? they must have raised their prices i paid 85 for some 3 months ago.

not really an answer to your question, but an alternative.
v-w-performance.com does them for 85 as well. he actually makes them from a type 4 cylinder
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anthracitedub wrote:
Already priced some from rimco....150 bux made from steel.
I work at a custom machines facility.... I'm not a machinist, but an electrician. One of the machinist said he will help me make some. The ones I need are .100 inch, so they're not just off the shelf items.

I have some cold roll flat stock that measures .100, so we were gonna make them from that, but today I found two pieces of round stock aluminum in the scrap bin.... It would be easier to just spin that in a lathe and machine it.... I just wasn't sure about using it.


A couple of cuts on some steel tube would be a whole lot simpler then aluminum billet....

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure the case is soft mag, but there's a lot of support/mass to it. Tightening a barrel down to it isn't going to deform it. An aluminum cylinder shim is thin, I would think deformation while tightening would be an issue.

I'd stick to steel. IMHO, cheap general sizes of spacers/shims are available, you can usually get to your target deck height/compression ratio (You can stack em!). I've never had custom shims/spacers made.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have any steel tubing that's close to a workable size....but the aluminum I have has already been machined close to the outside. So all it really needs is clean up, bore the inside and then part off the shims. I'm gonna give it a go this Friday after work.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make them if you can. Especially if they are going to be that thick. The shims that I had were such poor stamped quality and didn't want to stack to get what I wanted for thickness. They weren't flat to my standards and I put them on the surface grinder to clean them up and get what I wanted. I don't think plastic deformation will be a problem at the head torque and heat the motor will produce.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if there big enough you could drill the holes for the studs & they would be stronger instead of knotching them.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scat makes a nice variety of thick shims.
In a 94 bore they are available to .300" thick.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turning your own shims sure beats the crap you can buy.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could make several and sell the others in the classifieds
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got'em made.... Turned out perfect and only took 20 minutes to cut! Only had to use a small amount of stock.....finally get to button up this machine and plug it into my 57 Ghia!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steel shims much easier to get flat and parallel,most good and shims I make are surface ground, all 4 at the same time. This eliminates machining grooves, or concave or convex surfaces left from lathe turning. difficult to recut an aluminum shim once parted from tube if its a few thousandth out
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cut them over sized and then honed them to size on my true stone with a piece of 320.....they are exactally .1
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