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photogdave Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2004 Posts: 3041 Location: Vancouver Island, B.C.
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tschroeder0 Samba Member
Joined: April 14, 2008 Posts: 2096 Location: Boulder CO
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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It seems like a great kit, except its really irritating when they make things seem cheaper than they are, obviously if you are looking at this kit you dont already have the required hubs...so add another 250$
But good for GW for offering options |
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tam_shops Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2012 Posts: 1530 Location: Vancouver BC
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: Hold The Phone - New Big Brakes! |
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$500 for brakes is cheap? I've never paid that much for my car, installed. What was everyone paying when they were lucky enough to find them from SA?
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These are CHEAP! What do we think? |
tam _________________ 1987 Vanagon Westfalia GL Automatic
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joseph928 Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2011 Posts: 2114 Location: flagstaff az.
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:37 pm Post subject: Big Brakes |
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http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van/page_760_629/big_brake_kit.html $ 795 Van Cafe! But $250 for the hub kit and you are up only $45, so we will have to see if they are any better! But then if you have a Syncro then yes a good deal. You don't need the hubs. _________________ 1987 syncro westy tin top sun roof , GW2.3, rear locker, decoupler, Gary Lee tire rack & winch mount, lift, south african grill, big brakes , rhein alloy ,15 BFG AT, Fiamma 10 foot awning ,140 watt rear 85 watt front solar , mppt, truckfridge, automatic fire extinguishing system, tencent oil cooler, And a RMW SS exhaust! - 1971 bug convertible 1776 engine- 2010 Subaru turbo - 1993 Toyota 4x4 truck - 1999 Harley 95 CI, big bore, Andrews cams . Also 80-84- vans. Stock 65 sunroof bug.
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Christopher Schimke Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2005 Posts: 5375 Location: PNW
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Hold The Phone - New Big Brakes! |
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tam_shops wrote: |
$500 for brakes is cheap? I've never paid that much for my car, installed. What was everyone paying when they were lucky enough to find them from SA?
photogdave wrote: |
These are CHEAP! What do we think? |
tam |
The $499.95 price is for a Syncro application. They want $749.95 for a (*edit*) full 2wd kit with hubs. _________________ "Sometimes you have to build a box to think outside of." - Bruce (not Springsteen)
*Custom wheel hardware for Audi/VW, Porsche and Mercedes wheels - Urethane Suspension Bushings*
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ARMc Samba Member
Joined: February 10, 2012 Posts: 116 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting. I'm just in the market for that sorta thing. Wonder what wheels they will and will not work with? GW says: "...this kit will NOT work with European OEM Syncro-16 steel wheels and some other non-VW wheels." That doesn't instill a lot of promise to the buyer... |
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7893 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Hold The Phone - New Big Brakes! |
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Christopher Schimke wrote: |
The $499.95 price is for a Syncro application. They want $749.95 for a 2wd kit. |
From the description: "If you drive a 2WD Vanagon— and you do not currently have a big brake system installed —you'll also need our hub kit (available via the drop-down menu below)."
For the 2WDs, it depends on what your van currently has. Mine has the SA big brakes, so I wouldn't need the hub kit. If mine didn't have new-ish SA rotors, I'd be tempted with this new option. But Audi parts being available through multiple retailers make that option a tad more appealing (for if you have issues out on a road trip). Hmmm... kind of a tough choice. _________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2016 Golf GTI S
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Crankey Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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I don't get why people want cheap. I love my rig and I want BAD ASS and I'm ok paying for it. I'm sick of cheap....no offence intended...just sayin' |
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photogdave Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2004 Posts: 3041 Location: Vancouver Island, B.C.
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jberger Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2003 Posts: 2476
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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This is the kit eurospec has been selling for years right?? While better than sock on my over loaded syncro... I've always wanted more. |
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Syncronoid Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2012 Posts: 1111 Location: Stanford, CA and Bend, OR
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Crankey wrote: |
I don't get why people want cheap. I love my rig and I want BAD ASS and I'm ok paying for it. I'm sick of cheap....no offence intended...just sayin' |
+1. I'm more than stoked with my Audi-based big brake kit from VC. _________________ '90 Syncro Westy w/GW2.5L
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Read close these are not a really great long term solution.
It is NOT based on any other production out there.
Translation: Custom parts.
Single cylinder calipers.
THey are GREAT for GW cause they are THE single source for the parts....wonderful.
Notice the list ZERO specs, except they have 28mm thick rotors.
My big brakes have ONE custom part per side. And it is NOT a wear item.
Oh ya, I also recycle the old front hubs, too.
The rest I can buy off the street from many different sources.
Let me add up the cost.....rotors $79, pads $45, hoses $30, Custom part $100, uncommon but off the shelf fasteners $10, $20 to machine old hubs. Plus Calipers.
So that is like $300 + calipers (free - $200) so that is like $300 - $500 all off the shelf stuff for 330 mm brakes.
I like mine just fine, and I do not think the GW is a real bargain.
BAM! _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
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VWhead Samba Member
Joined: September 27, 2009 Posts: 337 Location: Pacific Grove,CA
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Will the rotors change ET difference on a Syncro? I'm curious how thick the rotor is where it mates to the hub. It would be nice if it didn't effect stock ET. _________________ 81' Single Cab Syncro 1.8T GMW
88' 2wd Westy 1.8T GMW
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Crankey Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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I'm thinking I'll go with the VC kit because I want those SA hubs. I don't want cut down disc/hub parts cause it'll push my wheels outboard.
then I'll look into fitting G60 calipers. |
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tam_shops Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2012 Posts: 1530 Location: Vancouver BC
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: Hold The Phone - New Big Brakes! |
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$750 for brakes! What do the Audi ones cost?
Christopher Schimke wrote: |
The $499.95 price is for a Syncro application. They want $749.95 for a (*edit*) full 2wd kit with hubs. |
Now, I'm confused, would my stock 87 have brakes only on the back, or both back and front? If they are only on the back on such a heavy vehicle, got to wonder what they were thinking when they decided to do *that*
tam _________________ 1987 Vanagon Westfalia GL Automatic
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Syncronoid Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2012 Posts: 1111 Location: Stanford, CA and Bend, OR
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:04 pm Post subject: Re: Hold The Phone - New Big Brakes! |
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tam_shops wrote: |
$750 for brakes! What do the Audi ones cost?
Christopher Schimke wrote: |
The $499.95 price is for a Syncro application. They want $749.95 for a (*edit*) full 2wd kit with hubs. |
Now, I'm confused, would my stock 87 have brakes only on the back, or both back and front? If they are only on the back on such a heavy vehicle, got to wonder what they were thinking when they decided to do *that*
tam |
Audi Big Brake kit at VC is $695. Most vans, unless modified, have drum brakes on the rear. I've upgraded mine to larger, thicker drums. _________________ '90 Syncro Westy w/GW2.5L |
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tam_shops Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:12 pm Post subject: Re: Hold The Phone - New Big Brakes! |
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Thank you, that's what I thought people were implying (by the need to make additional parts for 2wd ones or ones w/ another upgrade! Now I'll call $695 cheap! Not that I want cheap brakes or anything. I want ones that stop me fast when someone jumps in front of me!
tam
Syncronoid wrote: |
Audi Big Brake kit at VC is $695. Most vans, unless modified, have drum brakes on the rear. I've upgraded mine to larger, thicker drums. |
_________________ 1987 Vanagon Westfalia GL Automatic
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7893 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Hold The Phone - New Big Brakes! |
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tam_shops wrote: |
$750 for brakes! What do the Audi ones cost? |
Put it this way: What value do you place on safety, the brakes being high on the safety equipment list? To me, I'll happily spend the money to get my 5,000-pound brick to stop.
These are upgraded Vanagon brakes we're talking about here, not stock replacement parts.
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Now, I'm confused, would my stock 87 have brakes only on the back, or both back and front? |
Both front (discs) and rear (drums). The new GW kit, the Audi kit, the SA kit are all upgrade replacements for the front brakes. You can also upgrade the rears as well. _________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2016 Golf GTI S
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windnsea Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2008 Posts: 424 Location: Pasadena, CA
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Having dealt personally with the owner of GW, here is another profession from a short person!
More weight = better thermal soak? This blatantly ignores disc cooling, ducting, whether the discs are cooled from the outer or inside surface, rear backing plates vented to provide cooling, etc. etc. and on!
I still prefer to use an Audi kit such as offered by Small Car Performance and use a cross drilled vented disc with better pads and a braided s/s Teflon brake line!
...just my 2-cents worth! |
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brownbus78 Samba Member
Joined: May 27, 2009 Posts: 113 Location: Marin County, Calif.
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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For the money you can piece together your own braking system with good dual piston calipers, etc., but all things considered it looks to be a decent kit. Personally, money is no object when it comes to brakes. The van needs to stop when you need it to stop, not after the damage has been done. _________________ 87 Vanagon GL Wolfsburg Edition - sold
82 240D Diesel - recommissioned
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