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ThingBeast
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| Jeffery, are you running the shocks and sway bar with your set up? |
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jhicken
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Yes I am. Shorter, Opal shocks and a CB 3/4" dia. 2" narrowed swaybar.
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vaughn bros.
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Gotdamitt I still love this car!!!!  |
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Boom
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Location: Houston by God Texas
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:55 am Post subject: |
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| anyone who says driving a car with no shocks is safe is a f%*&ing idiot. is it done? yes. can they ride okay like that? maybe. but it is NOT safe. these are the same guys that run around on bald tires and brakes that you have to pump 3 or 4 times to stop. you can go with a narrowed beam and still run shocks as long as you dont go overboard. you are talking about 1 notch out back, so I doubt you want the front too extremely low. just go 2 or 3 inch narrowed and run your shocks (and keep those kids safe) |
Guess I'm an idiot with bald tires...
6" narrowed with dropped spindles and disc brakes that apparently need to be pumped 3 to 4 times to stop. |
Why did brakes even come in to the topic?
Nice car I have a similar look on mine. Just no disk brakes
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ThingBeast
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| Jeffrey, would you happen to have a snap shot of the beam installed in the car? It just seems that my towers just about butt up against the car that I don't see how the beam fits with the towers. Taking an 1" on each side seems to me that the towers would interfere with the body. maybe a pic with one of the front wheels removed would be ideal! |
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fluxcap
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I don't think you can compare your beam with Jeffrey's. I think he has a BJ beam and they have angled shock towers which allow for more clearance. Your beam is a k/l beam and the towers are straight up. I had to put custom towers on mine. Take a look at this ad for a 2" beam and you'll see this it has modified towers. http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ACC%2DC10%2D4201
I cut my towers off and used something like these
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1373849
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demon1018
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| doc1976 wrote: |
| anyone who says driving a car with no shocks is safe is a f%*&ing idiot. is it done? yes. can they ride okay like that? maybe. but it is NOT safe. these are the same guys that run around on bald tires and brakes that you have to pump 3 or 4 times to stop. you can go with a narrowed beam and still run shocks as long as you dont go overboard. you are talking about 1 notch out back, so I doubt you want the front too extremely low. just go 2 or 3 inch narrowed and run your shocks (and keep those kids safe) |
My bus has no shocks....yet. just got it on the road . My son and I have been tooling it around and its felt great .then going down a back street we hit some long whoops on the road going a liitle too fast and there was nothing i could do. It buck up and down smacking both bumpers on the ground befor i could get it slowed down. WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A PROB WITH SHOCKS. do you need them? No. But you will run into somthing when youll say damn , wished i had shocks . The 2" beam will look nice and you can have shocks. Simple and no worries. Yea , and dont weld a sway bar together. Thats stupid. It can be re bent |
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Ace
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This is where a shockless beam gets weird. When the weight unloads off the bushings in the front end, there is no dampening. Then, the more weight that comes down, the stiffer it gets from both bushing dampening and the increasing torsion rate. While minimal in a bug, im sure on a bus it is quite a feeling.
I wouldn't go shockles in a bus. Too much weight no matter what bushings you run. |
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ThingBeast
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| Great point guys. I am picking up my lowered spindles tomorrow and install them to see how much gap that reduces. I will try to post some before and after pics with just the spindle sway, then pick a narrowed beam, most likely, a 2" narrowed beam so I can use my shocks and sway bar. I've also heard of people mounting the sway bar upside down for clearance. is this true? |
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Texas1960
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Here are the shock towers I made for my 4" beam.
Here is a larger picture of my car.
4" narrowed beam with adjusters and drop spindles. 165/60/15 tires
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redbulltj
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Nice bug!
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tatzandrodz
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4in narrow beam no shocks on front drives great a bit loose in front but the wobble will happen if you get toe in from the rear. I still need to put notched extended spring plates on it. |
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demon1018
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| Texas1960 wrote: |
Here are the shock towers I made for my 4" beam.
Here is a larger picture of my car.
4" narrowed beam with adjusters and drop spindles. 165/60/15 tires |
that thing is sick!!! |
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lawn ninja
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Sorry for not responding earlier to your question about the rear of my 58. I wish I could give you an accurate answer I have two adjustments on mine. I have adjustable spring plates on it and then I also have two center adjusters on the torsions. I set the plates at 0* then I messed with all the adjustments to get it to sit where I wanted it to. Plus I have big sway-a-way torsions in the back 28mm if I remember correctly. I would say 2 notches with new torsions would get you there. When I set my plates I had all the adjustments all the way up and went from there.
Thanks for all the compliments on it, one day I'll get it finished. Still an active project I just rarely get the opportunity to work on it so it's slow going. But I figure it takes time to do everything the way I want and I held nothing back on this car.
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