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stubble88 Samba Member
Joined: June 09, 2008 Posts: 45 Location: Valencia CA
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:21 pm Post subject: afraid to fill up gas tank |
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After my first niagra falls gas spill from overfilling the tank, I had the tank resealed with the GW kit. now its seems so tight that the gas pump handle just clicks off unless im very strategic with its placement. This makes it very difficult to determine when the tank is full. Is this normal? Should I still be afraid of overfilling my tank and causing another gas spill? |
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Vinzanto Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2012 Posts: 247 Location: Kansas City
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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My gas tank starts leaking from an undetermined spot if I 'top it off'.
The Bentley lists the tank capacity as ~13 gallons but if one continues to fill you can pump near 14 gallons.
So when I am near empty and am filling up I stop once I have put in 13 gallons to prevent overflow. |
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wyomingresident Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2007 Posts: 246 Location: Jackson Hole
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Never, never use the auto-thingie on the gas pump handle.
ALWAYS fill manually, at half speed, so you don't blow out any gaskets or spill out the fill tube. _________________ Don't tell fish stories where the people know you; but particularly, don't tell them where they know the fish.
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jmranger Samba Member
Joined: January 14, 2010 Posts: 701 Location: Quebec
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dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16502 Location: Brookeville, MD
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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wyomingresident wrote: |
Never, never use the auto-thingie on the gas pump handle.
ALWAYS fill manually, at half speed, so you don't blow out any gaskets or spill out the fill tube. |
As long as you have air available to the tank through the filler you cannot blow out anything. As for spilling out the fill tube it definitely happens on models without the 'ping pong ball' valve in the base of the tube which was on later models. This filler tube can be retrofitted to earlier models with the larger grommet to the tank. _________________ Dave O
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50338
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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California pumps are a royal PITA to use on older vehicles. Pulling the boot on the nozzle back so it does not seal at all seems to work. Some people carry a screwdriver and remove the boot entirely while they are filling. Maybe making yourself something like an oversized wooden clothes pin that would fit around the nozzle and keep the boot from being able to seal would be the way to go. |
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tam_shops Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2012 Posts: 1530 Location: Vancouver BC
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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OOOooooppssss!!! I'd know if I blew out my gaskets right?
I did it the *first* time I ever filled it, and gas went EVERYWHERE. Ticked me off! LOL
wyomingresident wrote: |
Never, never use the auto-thingie on the gas pump handle.
ALWAYS fill manually, at half speed, so you don't blow out any gaskets or spill out the fill tube. |
Now, I just fill it by *amount*. So, if the tank is half full I put in 6 gallons/24L and it seems to fill it up enough and not spill anything anywhere.
My dh is way more sophisticated, he *listens* to it as it fills. No idea what he's listening for, but he gets it fuller than me.
tam _________________ 1987 Vanagon Westfalia GL Automatic
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50338
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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tam_shops wrote: |
OOOooooppssss!!! I'd know if I blew out my gaskets right?
I did it the *first* time I ever filled it, and gas went EVERYWHERE. Ticked me off! LOL
wyomingresident wrote: |
Never, never use the auto-thingie on the gas pump handle.
ALWAYS fill manually, at half speed, so you don't blow out any gaskets or spill out the fill tube. |
Now, I just fill it by *amount*. So, if the tank is half full I put in 6 gallons/24L and it seems to fill it up enough and not spill anything anywhere.
My dh is way more sophisticated, he *listens* to it as it fills. No idea what he's listening for, but he gets it fuller than me.
tam |
It didn't leak because you overfilled it, it leaked because there was something already wrong with it that probably still needs fixing. Living in Oregon where we don't have self serve, dozens of different people have filled my tanks over the last 20+ years, no gaskets blown by any of them in a combined 600,000 miles for three different Vanagons from a 1983 1/2 model to a 1991 model. |
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stubble88 Samba Member
Joined: June 09, 2008 Posts: 45 Location: Valencia CA
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Wildthings,
you have over 21k posts.
just saying |
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greenbrier62 Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2012 Posts: 223 Location: Victor, ID
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 12:00 pm Post subject: hearing |
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Tam,
He's listening to the gurgling sound. As it fills up, the sound becomes "higher pitched" like (or at least different sounding) and you can tell when it's about get to the top and overfill. I do the same thing
Try filling up a water bottle. As it gets full listen to the tone change... _________________ 1987 Vanagon camper
2005 VW Passat TDI
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bluebus86 Banned
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 11075
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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Vinzanto wrote: |
My gas tank starts leaking from an undetermined spot if I 'top it off'.
The Bentley lists the tank capacity as ~13 gallons but if one continues to fill you can pump near 14 gallons.
So when I am near empty and am filling up I stop once I have put in 13 gallons to prevent overflow. |
My owners manual for a 1986 USA Vanagon lists 16 gallon capacity. I frequenlty fill more than 13 gallons in my Vanagon.
Some pumps do splash back, it could be a fault in the gas pump shut off setting My local Chevron pumps dont splash back, but the the local ARCO pump is very bad, it tends to over flow both my Vanagon and my Triumph.
If a pump is causing a spill, contact the gasoline regulation agency, so that it can be addressed. Pumps near me have a toll free number to report filling problems |
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Vinzanto Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2012 Posts: 247 Location: Kansas City
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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Funny I checked my Haynes and it says the capacity is 60 liters and then states that is roughly 13 gallons.
But then I converted the numbers and it comes out to 15.85 gallons (good job haynes).
Even funnier this must mean my leak is worse than I thought it was/is because I have never been able to put more than 13.5 gallons in the tank without a leak, maybe my overflow tanks are not filling to capacity. |
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whafalia Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2009 Posts: 685 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Key on my 84 is to be done when the pump clicks. If I try to squeeze more in it will smell of gas in the van and likely overflow. When in OR or MX I make sure to communicate this. Bad is filling up on the way to the campground and having it smell of gas all night. _________________ 84 westie 2.2 w/ digijet, AT |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12005 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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My '86 and '90/'91 manuals say 2wd capacity is 16 gallons.
My '90 and the old '91 2wd vanagons have never had issue filling to full capacity without splash back all over CA. |
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davevickery Samba Member
Joined: July 16, 2005 Posts: 2887 Location: Fort Collins, CO
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Depends where it is leaking. On top where the smaller gaskets are or at the fill tube as it goes into the tank. If it just splashes back that is because of the design of the filler. As someone said, you can buy a new filler neck with the ball valve at the bottom that stops it from splashing back at you. Check GoWesty. I did that with a used one from a later model van and it worked perfectly. I used the pump on automatic like you are supposed to be able to do. Another van I needed to replace the grommets on top of the tank. Before I did that, it would spill like a half gallon of gas on the ground at the pump after filling it up. It was coming out on top of the tank and spilling out the back of the tank. Kind of embarrassing, I only did it a few times before I replaced the seals. It isn't that hard to replace all the seals. Even if you had that done that already if it is leaking it is the seals or the old style filler neck. |
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Sir Sam Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2009 Posts: 1684 Location: Fort Collins Colorado!
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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davevickery wrote: |
Depends where it is leaking. On top where the smaller gaskets are or at the fill tube as it goes into the tank. If it just splashes back that is because of the design of the filler. As someone said, you can buy a new filler neck with the ball valve at the bottom that stops it from splashing back at you. Check GoWesty. I did that with a used one from a later model van and it worked perfectly. I used the pump on automatic like you are supposed to be able to do. Another van I needed to replace the grommets on top of the tank. Before I did that, it would spill like a half gallon of gas on the ground at the pump after filling it up. It was coming out on top of the tank and spilling out the back of the tank. Kind of embarrassing, I only did it a few times before I replaced the seals. It isn't that hard to replace all the seals. Even if you had that done that already if it is leaking it is the seals or the old style filler neck. |
I have a 91 that splashes back. Would it have this ball valve? _________________ '91 Carat Westy
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tam_shops Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2012 Posts: 1530 Location: Vancouver BC
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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I thought it was 50L or 13gallons, good to know, will add more at once. Always seems to go near to top when I add 6L at once.
Vinzanto wrote: |
Funny I checked my Haynes and it says the capacity is 60 liters and then states that is roughly 13 gallons.
But then I converted the numbers and it comes out to 15.85 gallons (good job haynes).
Even funnier this must mean my leak is worse than I thought it was/is because I have never been able to put more than 13.5 gallons in the tank without a leak, maybe my overflow tanks are not filling to capacity. |
Will try w/ water bottle, thanks. I don't like gas on my shoes. Mostly, I'm smart enough to get gas when he's with me.
I didn't know you could/should report it when it goes on the ground. I've added gas before and got that burble, but this was a BIG mess. Mine is not leaking, doesn't do it if you don't fill it too full.
Cheers!
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50338
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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:49 am Post subject: |
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If your tank isn't venting properly it will be harder to fill. Might want to check the all of the hoses are good. |
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wecm31 Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2012 Posts: 358 Location: Eganville, Ontario
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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:44 am Post subject: |
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Vinzanto wrote: |
Funny I checked my Haynes and it says the capacity is 60 liters and then states that is roughly 13 gallons.
But then I converted the numbers and it comes out to 15.85 gallons (good job haynes).
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An Imperial gallon (UK, Canada, etc) is 4.54 litres, hence 60 litres is 13 Imp gallons.
An Amurrican gallon is 3.78 litres, hence 60 litres is 16 US gallons.
Just know the how, no idea on the why _________________ Gerald P
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chojinchef Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:59 am Post subject: |
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wecm31 wrote: |
Vinzanto wrote: |
Funny I checked my Haynes and it says the capacity is 60 liters and then states that is roughly 13 gallons.
But then I converted the numbers and it comes out to 15.85 gallons (good job haynes).
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An Imperial gallon (UK, Canada, etc) is 4.54 litres, hence 60 litres is 13 Imp gallons.
An Amurrican gallon is 3.78 litres, hence 60 litres is 16 US gallons.
Just know the how, no idea on the why |
Imperial gallon is originally based on the volume of 10 pounds of water. Was officially adopted in early 1800's due to the Kilogram - liter relationship
The wine or liquid gallon has been the standard US gallon since it had been redefined during the reign of Queen Anne, in 1706, as 231 cubic inches exactly. _________________ Its a mistress; an expensive, whiney, needy bitch of a mistress. She is a chunky, dirty girl with bad skin, little motivation and yet she always makes me smile. She sure has been around before shacking up with me. She has a direct line to my wallet, plays with my emotions, is consistantly jovial yet with a sarcastic and sardonic side, is consistant in her inconsistancy, and every once in a while gives me a great ride and a fantastic memory. |
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