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ftp2leta Samba Member
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insyncro Banned
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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rubbachicken Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2004 Posts: 3058 Location: socal
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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like kylie minogue video's, much better watched with the sound off
nicely done ben _________________ lucy our westy
lucy's BIG adventure
meet 'burni'
markswagen {mobile mechanic} san diego area all early VW's cared for.
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mtnhome Samba Member
Joined: July 17, 2010 Posts: 496 Location: Summit County, CO
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for posting this! Have one of those bell housings waiting to go on.
I'll look forward to Part 2!
This bell housing certainly seemed to get mixed reviews, what is your impression? Any Loctite on the slave screws? _________________ '84 Westy, '93 Subaru ej22 and Subarugears 5speed
Build thread: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=763098&highlight= |
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kalispell365 Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2010 Posts: 889 Location: PNW
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Ben,
do you use a regular vw clutch disc nstead of the smallcar disc? is there a difference in the outside diameter?
If you are having success with a factory vw disc,people could save a bunch over the smallcar specailty clutch disc.Also,a much easier part to source.
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ftp2leta Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 4:10 am Post subject: |
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It's a regular VW SAHC clutch disk. It's all explain in the vid.
The customer clutch was only 1 year old, I'm using it.
You need a OEM Subaru Flywheel and pressure plate, NOT AFTER-MARKET.
Those can be find cheap used with not much millage and half price of a new one. Mine came with the engine and it as 12,000 miles.
I have waited to use that bell-housing so all little flaws where fixed. So far it's perfection to my eyes.
My decision was based on VW rebuilt starter quality. Again you can use a 100k mile old Subaru starter and it will provide 2 time the torque of a BOSCH.
I'm trying to do this one with simple tools and good used part so it's close to the cost of the adapter plate.
Of course if you buy a new clutch kit, new Subaru starter and a new flywheel the cost will be way above the adapter plate.
It's BS to think that flywheel need surfacing, in general they are good for life.
Clutch disk only cost nothing.
Part 2 will include the installation of a spacer at the clutch master cylinder, bleeding the system.
Mating the SC bell-housing to a Subaru engine doesn't need any explanation and takes minutes to do so.
Another feature to the bell-housing is that the engine carrier keep it's original position. Not the 2 inches (or so) toward the rear. So more clearance between muffler and body.
That will be verified by me in the next few days and will be posted here.
As for my taste in music, well, just turn it down.
Right now there is exciting stuff in my shop, an 2012 2.5L, a Subarugears 5 speed transmission and that bell-housing.
I'm also working on a module to bypass CAN BUS and Immobilizer issue. No it won't be explain to anyone and will be for sale.
I also want to do a newer 2.0L DOHC, it as less power but it's VERY good on fuel consumption. Remember that I work alone so things take time.
Ben _________________ Working with rust, grease, dirt and dust is a sad truth.
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Benny,
I love the Crystal Method and approve of its use in your video
Thanks for posting that the bearing in the flywheel and clutch alignment tool are different.
During Vanapolooza, building Derek's H6 Syncro Westy, we almost destroyed some parts when the trans and engine would not mate completely.
It was like something wouldn't fit in the last inch or so.
We didn't swap the bearing
I caught it after a brief ponder and can of beer.
We were using the RJES, but these bellhousings share a few traits
Bench filling the clutch components is something I wish more converters and mechanics would do.
It really saves time and has worked for me now for years.
Good call on the Right Stuff to seal the two parts together
Great vid, looking forward to the part 2.
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gears Samba Member
Joined: October 28, 2002 Posts: 4391 Location: Tamarack, Bend, Kailua
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Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Cool stuff, Ben. I find it comforting to know that your library is there if I should run into a "scratch you head" moment :>) _________________ aka Pablo, Geary
9.36 @ 146 in '86 Hot & Sticky
'90 Syncro Westy SVX
'87 Syncro GL 2.5
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ftp2leta Samba Member
Joined: October 11, 2004 Posts: 3271 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:09 am Post subject: |
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I'm also working on a module to bypass CAN BUS and Immobilizer issue. No it won't be explain to anyone and will be for sale. |
It look like some people don't agree (not here, in private or elsewhere) with the bold section of the above sentence.
I would like to share the following e-mail I just received:
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As the only one who has successfully done one prior I would have thought some of that knowledge would have been retained. My mistake. Good luck in all you do. When I finally complete mine Ill be sure to post on the forum. In pretty sure the actual purpose of a forum is to share knowledge.
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I have been sharing stuff since... I can remember.
I sometime keep a few secret to myself. I think it's perfectly understandable.
I won't reply (in private) to cry baby who can't find the solution to their complex problem.
Ben _________________ Working with rust, grease, dirt and dust is a sad truth.
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ftp2leta Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:25 am Post subject: |
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CAN bus explain (Wiki):
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A modern automobile may have as many as 70 electronic control units (ECU) for various subsystems.[3] Typically the biggest processor is the engine control unit (also engine control module/ECM or Powertrain Control Module/PCM in automobiles); others are used for transmission, airbags, antilock braking/ABS, cruise control, electric power steering/EPS, audio systems, windows, doors, mirror adjustment, battery and recharging systems for hybrid/electric cars, etc. Some of these form independent subsystems, but communications among others are essential. A subsystem may need to control actuators or receive feedback from sensors. The CAN standard was devised to fill this need.
The CAN bus may be used in vehicles to connect the engine control unit and transmission, or (on a different bus) to connect the door locks, climate control, seat control, etc. Today the CAN bus is also used as a fieldbus in general automation environments, primarily due to the low cost of some CAN controllers and processors.
Bosch holds patents on the technology, and manufacturers of CAN-compatible microprocessors pay license fees to Bosch, which are normally passed on to the customer in the price of the chip. Manufacturers of products with custom ASICs or FPGAs containing CAN-compatible modules may need to pay a fee for the CAN Protocol License.
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Instead of voltage (0-6-12V) and switch (open-close-variable position) CAN is another story. It's a computer network.
If half of the component/signal can't be read and verified (go and come back) by the computer it will simply shut down.
It's not only a question of digital VS analogue speed sensor or immobilizer. That can somewhat be easily solve.
My little box seem to work until 09 but not 2011. Same car model same make. So it mean that CAN programming is simply change from year to year.
Also, a big problem is the automatic car version of the CAN, there is a big relation between engine management and the transmission. So far that can't be solve on my side.
Last year when I did an 09 it was an automatic, even i got the engine working the gas pedal was not responding the way it should. That was solve using a 5 speed ECU and this one need programing AT the DEALER.
So my solution for now only work with one car, 2 year, one engine.
So this is ONE reason I'm not sharing nothing for now.
Ben _________________ Working with rust, grease, dirt and dust is a sad truth.
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dobryan Samba Member
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insyncro Banned
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Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:01 am Post subject: |
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I share too, BUT it never seems to be enough and many don't really understand how much time, labor and expense it is to R&D from the ground up with ever changing products.
Businesses need to be in the black at the end of the day.
That means clients or customers need to purchase products, parts and services.
I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot and needy information mongers were subjected to a constant barrage of emails at work, purely to get information for free...it would get old really fast and many would be unemployed after giving away anything, especially cutting edge info.
Just my opinions, rock on. |
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D Clymer Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Yes, holding back details on conversion setups that involve a lot of R&D is not only understandable, but logical. In order to justify and pay for R&D time you have to be able to sell products or services to make it up. Divulging all the details pretty much pulls the rug out from under that. Ben actually contributes and shares much, much more than he holds back, so I can't see how anyone could take exception to him retaining the groundwork he has made with dealing with the CAN system - unless they haven't really taken a look on his website and seen what a wealth of knowledge it is.
If you look at some of the vendors, their approach is no different. Both Bostig and SAH show pretty limited photos of their engine kits and nothing of the individual components. I'm sure it's to protect the time, talent and resources they've put into their products.
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insyncro Banned
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Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:26 am Post subject: |
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D Clymer wrote: |
Yes, holding back details on conversion setups that involve a lot of R&D is not only understandable, but logical. In order to justify and pay for R&D time you have to be able to sell products or services to make it up. Divulging all the details pretty much pulls the rug out from under that. Ben actually contributes and shares much, much more than he holds back, so I can't see how anyone could take exception to him retaining the groundwork he has made with dealing with the CAN system - unless they haven't really taken a look on his website and seen what a wealth of knowledge it is.
If you look at some of the vendors, their approach is no different. Both Bostig and SAH show pretty limited photos of their engine kits and nothing of the individual components. I'm sure it's to protect the time, talent and resources they've put into their products.
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Agreed
I can think of two blatant cases here in these forums where extremely unique and extremely expensive parts to design and manufacturer have been completely poached and than small alterations made and sold as a new product.
I will stand strong and ask all interested in the cutting edge techniques, parts and services of the many who take the time and have spent their own money to figure out conversions and upgrades, be supported, not just milked for freebies.
Lets remember that DIY, is do it yourself.
Please do not bother replying to this thread or others saying that parts and services are too expensive.
Go make the money needed to support the people who are fully committed to working through these hurdles.
These are my opinions and if you disagree, well I'm sorry for you. |
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ftp2leta Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:47 am Post subject: |
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insyncro wrote: |
Please do not bother replying to this thread or others saying that parts and services are too expensive.
Go make the money needed to support the people who are fully committed to working through these hurdles.
These are my opinions and if you disagree, well I'm sorry for you. |
Ha ha... One guy one day told me to charge more. You will get quality customer. You will work less for the same amount of money or more...
Still don't know if it's true today _________________ Working with rust, grease, dirt and dust is a sad truth.
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insyncro Banned
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Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:04 am Post subject: |
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I get about three or four emails a week asking for help with conversions.
More specifically, questions about a Subaru engine and the reversed 5 speed transmission combo.
I would talk about it all day, except the ones contacting me are looking to use a turboed STI four cylinder or they want to supercharge a H6.
I politely respond and let them know that they will be the first to do so and that they should document everything and post it for all to question and comment on.
Haven't seen or heard a peep from any of interested parties.
For all of those who have emailed looking for me to photograph and share:
Burley's rear disc brake adapter
The entire RJES bellhousing and associated parts
SC's cast sump
SC's bellhousing
SC's front brake setup......
the list goes on and on......
I would recommend purchasing the parts from the vendors and doing as you wish with them.
I have ties to all of the listed vendors and don't see why interested parties wouldn't just kick down and purchase what they want?
If you want to copy the part and sell off your version go for it , but don't expect mechanics, converters and vendors to just hand over everything needed for DIY.
If you are just looking to save a few bucks and reap the benefits of all the hard work that went into the project, sorry but I don't think we are on the same page. |
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insyncro Banned
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Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:05 am Post subject: |
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ftp2leta wrote: |
insyncro wrote: |
Please do not bother replying to this thread or others saying that parts and services are too expensive.
Go make the money needed to support the people who are fully committed to working through these hurdles.
These are my opinions and if you disagree, well I'm sorry for you. |
Ha ha... One guy one day told me to charge more. You will get quality customer. You will work less for the same amount of money or more...
Still don't know if it's true today |
Benny,
Feel free to charge a rate that you feel your work is worth.
Plain and simple. |
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