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rlutterb Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2006 Posts: 1393 Location: Carrollton Ohio
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: Special edition ghia's |
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Found a very cool web site for special edition beetles today, http://www.sebeetles.com/contents.htm
Where there many/any special edition ghias made? Any web sites that outline them? |
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pbaptist Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2005 Posts: 1205 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:01 am Post subject: |
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I can think of 3 sort of special Editions Karmann-ghia's
1966 Pigalle (red interior, red steering wheel, red dash pad)
1966 Teak (brown interior, brown steering wheel, brown dash pad)
1973 sports ghia (Yellow with black stripings)
And if you also consider the karmann-ghia not build in Germany
1956-1960 Montage Suisse. (Karmann-ghia's made in Suisse) (very rare)
Karmann-ghia's build in Brasil
Patrick _________________ Dutch Karmann-Ghia and coachbuild lover.
1* Karmann Ghia Coupe (1966 Teak)
2* Karmann Ghia Convertible (1958, 1971)
4* Rometsch Lawrence (nr 534, 555, 558 and 561)
Karmann-Ghia Lowlight page and registry
Karmann-Ghia Collectibles database |
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pbaptist Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2005 Posts: 1205 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:26 am Post subject: |
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Five years after my last post, I can finally show you a picture with all the three special editions together.
This is probably the first time that all the three special editions are captured in one picture. The teak is the most rare of them all. Only three are known to have survived and this is the only one that is currently running.
1966 Pigalle
1966 Teak
1973 Sport ghia
_________________ Dutch Karmann-Ghia and coachbuild lover.
1* Karmann Ghia Coupe (1966 Teak)
2* Karmann Ghia Convertible (1958, 1971)
4* Rometsch Lawrence (nr 534, 555, 558 and 561)
Karmann-Ghia Lowlight page and registry
Karmann-Ghia Collectibles database |
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
Joined: March 07, 2004 Posts: 13957 Location: Southampton U.K.
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pbaptist Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2005 Posts: 1205 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:49 am Post subject: |
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John Moxon wrote: |
Did the '66 Teak have the same dash trim Patrick? |
Hi john,
Yes, same dash trim as on all the 66 models
Something interesting about the interior is that:
The pigalle has a leatherette interior
The teak has a fabric (stoff) interior
_________________ Dutch Karmann-Ghia and coachbuild lover.
1* Karmann Ghia Coupe (1966 Teak)
2* Karmann Ghia Convertible (1958, 1971)
4* Rometsch Lawrence (nr 534, 555, 558 and 561)
Karmann-Ghia Lowlight page and registry
Karmann-Ghia Collectibles database |
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
Joined: March 07, 2004 Posts: 13957 Location: Southampton U.K.
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KGCoupe Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2005 Posts: 3580 Location: Putting the "ill" and "annoy" in Illinois
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:13 am Post subject: |
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I've read the various threads here telling the story about the Sport Ghia (or a much of the story as can be pieced together, anyway), so I understand why there were so very few of them produced.
My question about the pigale and the teak versions is this - were they "limited editions", meaning the total production number was intentionally limited by design, or were they just "standard" interior color choices that were available to anyone that wanted to order them during that model year and are rare only because few people opted to do so?
Thanks for the pic of them all together, BTW.
How does it feel to be the only person in the world to own all three special model Ghias in running condition? |
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AlanInMass54 Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2003 Posts: 1070 Location: Massachusetts
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:53 am Post subject: |
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A long time ago a junkyard not far from me had a 73 I think it was Ghia. It was red and had black 'Formula Vee' decals along the rockers. I know there was a Beetle edition of this name (there used to be one driving around here), but was there a Ghia model too? |
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spectre6000 Samba Member
Joined: April 19, 2009 Posts: 2014 Location: Broomfield, CO
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:30 am Post subject: |
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What's the story on the 1956-1960 Montage Suisse models? I've never heard of this. Were they just regular looking Ghias built elsewhere?
I've always been a fan of the Brazillian Karmann Ghias with the Type 3 tail lights. They have the cleanest lines of the whole collective production. I did a design study several years back (and I see the line drawings pop up now and again in various threads and avatars) demonstrating this. I even went so far as to get a set of Type 3 tail light sections, tail lights, and NOS Italian market clear lenses (to be painted red with a clear top for reverse lights, though I may just sell them and get some regular red lights). I intend to get a late model at some point and set it up for racing. It will probably get these lights. _________________ Jason Hopper
-'58 German Market Deluxe Beetle (in progress)
-'84 M1009 CUCV
-'81 K10
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pbaptist Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2005 Posts: 1205 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:37 am Post subject: |
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KGCoupe wrote: |
My question about the pigale and the teak versions is this - were they "limited editions", meaning the total production number was intentionally limited by design, or were they just "standard" interior color choices that were available to anyone that wanted to order them during that model year and are rare only because few people opted to do so?
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Hi KGCoupe,
There is a different between a special edition and a limited edition. None of the three were limited editions as that required a numbered amount of car produced.
The sport ghia is a real special edition, with a different paint scene, different rims, sport steering wheel and black leatherette interior (and maybe even some more options). It was also marketed as a special edition.
The Pigalle and Teak can be considered as interior versions, but most people consider these as a "special edition" because the interior went further than only the seat color or fabric. The whole interior of the car was made in the same color, with the dash cover, steering wheel, seats, door panels, carpet all in the same color. These "special interior editions" were also offered for the Type 3 cars.
Regarding the "Formula Vee" decals on a ghia. This was an option for the 1973 cars. Having a special option on your car doesn't make the car a special edition. See line 10 on this page on the 1973 sales brochure
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/73ghia/ghia10.jpg
regards
Patrick _________________ Dutch Karmann-Ghia and coachbuild lover.
1* Karmann Ghia Coupe (1966 Teak)
2* Karmann Ghia Convertible (1958, 1971)
4* Rometsch Lawrence (nr 534, 555, 558 and 561)
Karmann-Ghia Lowlight page and registry
Karmann-Ghia Collectibles database
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pbaptist Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:41 am Post subject: |
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KGCoupe wrote: |
BTW.
How does it feel to be the only person in the world to own all three special model Ghias in running condition? |
I have no idea.
Unfortunately the 66 Pigalle is a total mess and is not running now and won't be running in the next couple of year either. _________________ Dutch Karmann-Ghia and coachbuild lover.
1* Karmann Ghia Coupe (1966 Teak)
2* Karmann Ghia Convertible (1958, 1971)
4* Rometsch Lawrence (nr 534, 555, 558 and 561)
Karmann-Ghia Lowlight page and registry
Karmann-Ghia Collectibles database |
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
Joined: March 07, 2004 Posts: 13957 Location: Southampton U.K.
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pbaptist Samba Member
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Altema Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2010 Posts: 2904 Location: Lower Michigan
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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I'm loving that teak interior... so warm and inviting. |
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kevin3406 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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1966 also produced a rare "azure" interior, which was a light blue. not sure if this was offered for the ghia, but im told that azure interiors were/are uber rare. _________________ [insert various aircooled vehicles here] if the women dont find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.- Red Green |
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8211 Location: San Dimas
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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There was a teak ghia at the end of KGPR Treffen in August. Now i am sorry I did not get a picture of it. It was pretty original and not restored. It did have a gas heater mounted in front behind the dash. |
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KGCoupe Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2005 Posts: 3580 Location: Putting the "ill" and "annoy" in Illinois
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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pbaptist wrote: |
KGCoupe wrote: |
BTW.
How does it feel to be the only person in the world to own all three special model Ghias in running condition? |
I have no idea.
Unfortunately the 66 Pigalle is a total mess and is not running now and won't be running in the next couple of year either. |
Well you're still probably closer to that goal than anyone else anyway!
Thanks for clearing up what is meant by "special editions" - that's really cool how the dash pad, steering wheel and carpets match the seats and door panels.
Personally, I am not a fan of black cars at all, but I do really like the look of your black Ghia with the pigail interior. |
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pbaptist Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:05 am Post subject: |
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The 1966 with a azure interior is not comparable with the pigalle and teak versions and therefor are not considered as a special edition.
The azure cloth interior was standard for the 1966 bermuda colored cars. However these cars didn't have the steering wheel, steering wheel column tube, turn signal lever or dashboard cover in a azure color. Therefor it is not a special edition.
Patrick _________________ Dutch Karmann-Ghia and coachbuild lover.
1* Karmann Ghia Coupe (1966 Teak)
2* Karmann Ghia Convertible (1958, 1971)
4* Rometsch Lawrence (nr 534, 555, 558 and 561)
Karmann-Ghia Lowlight page and registry
Karmann-Ghia Collectibles database |
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chava11 Samba Member
Joined: November 29, 2004 Posts: 20 Location: Big Bear, CA 92315
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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c21darrel wrote: |
There was a teak ghia at the end of KGPR Treffen in August. Now i am sorry I did not get a picture of it. It was pretty original and not restored. It did have a gas heater mounted in front behind the dash. |
The Ghia you speak about is mine. _________________ Salvador
1959 Single Cab Truck |
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chava11 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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c21darrel wrote: |
There was a teak ghia at the end of KGPR Treffen in August. Now i am sorry I did not get a picture of it. It was pretty original and not restored. It did have a gas heater mounted in front behind the dash. |
_________________ Salvador
1959 Single Cab Truck |
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