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Envious Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2003 Posts: 1819 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:34 am Post subject: |
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D/A/N wrote: |
I'm curious about where this thing lives when it's not set up to sleep in. On the roof rack? In the back? |
It collapses to about 3" flat then has a road cover that snaps down over it. It stays on the roof of the car like a 4X8 sheet of plywood. _________________ 71 Type 1302 Custom
64 Type 151
63 Type 117 L469 Anthracite
64 Type 361 L575 Nutria
64 Porsche 356c
56 Type 113 L227 Strato Silver
52 BSA C11G
59 Heilite Single Wheel Camping Trailer
56 Allstate Single Wheel
84 Vanagon Westfalia
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Envious Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2003 Posts: 1819 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:39 am Post subject: |
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Bobnotch wrote: |
Will you be using this at the 2014 Type 3 Invasion? Would be very cool to see it in person. |
That's the plan. I've got another car coming out of paint in the next couple of weeks so I'm focused on getting it finished. If all goes as planned, I'll be there. _________________ 71 Type 1302 Custom
64 Type 151
63 Type 117 L469 Anthracite
64 Type 361 L575 Nutria
64 Porsche 356c
56 Type 113 L227 Strato Silver
52 BSA C11G
59 Heilite Single Wheel Camping Trailer
56 Allstate Single Wheel
84 Vanagon Westfalia
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Yabbadubbadoo Samba Member
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Woreign Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2006 Posts: 2841 Location: Crestview FL
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:43 am Post subject: |
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Those trailers are cool! I love the boat on the roof! |
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22416 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Woreign wrote: |
Those trailers are cool! I love the boat on the roof! |
To bad your original Volkswagen motor in your type 3 will need to have a Chevy truck in it to pull it. _________________
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OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1964 1500 S
1964 T34 S Convertible
1977 Westfalia Camper pop-top |
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bobnorman Samba Newfoundlander
Joined: August 09, 2010 Posts: 1389 Location: Newfoundland
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:47 am Post subject: |
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notchboy wrote: |
Woreign wrote: |
Those trailers are cool! I love the boat on the roof! |
To bad your original Volkswagen motor in your type 3 will need to have a Chevy truck in it to pull it. |
Now that's a cool rig!
So, what, you're saying that a T3 can't pull 650lbs?? |
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22416 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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bobnorman wrote: |
notchboy wrote: |
Woreign wrote: |
Those trailers are cool! I love the boat on the roof! |
To bad your original Volkswagen motor in your type 3 will need to have a Chevy truck in it to pull it. |
Now that's a cool rig!
So, what, you're saying that a T3 can't pull 650lbs?? |
Oh it can pull it. Just dont bring food, water, camping gear, the dog, maybe the wife and kids _________________
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OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1964 1500 S
1964 T34 S Convertible
1977 Westfalia Camper pop-top |
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Yabbadubbadoo Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2012 Posts: 914
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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It's light weight as far as campers go and some of the home built teardrops would be a lot heavier considering the methods they use to build them.
But I do agree you have to consider the weight and safety of carrying it plus camping gear.
Having said that, as a kid I went on many camping trips with the whole family in a microbus. First we had a 69 (1600) and later we had a 79 2lt.
They both towed a boat loaded as a trailer, a whole family in the cabin with more food and gear plus the fully loaded boat was very heavy. Yes they were slow up hills, and the 69 was not adequately braked for the job so my dad upgraded with that excuse but the 2lt did it easily with some careful consideration by my father.
Firstly, load distribution was a big concern whenever he loaded up, but the main thing that made the whole setup relatively safe and road-sound was the addition of torsion bar load levelers at the hitch. The ones he had also had coil springs along the length to prevent jack knifing. The added benefit of that was it made the whole thing a lot easier when reversing.
So with all the brains in the room I'm pretty sure if someone wanted that 350lb trailer behind a type3 it wouldn't be impossible but maybe not a great idea in a stock vehicle. |
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22416 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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Yabbadubbadoo wrote: |
It's light weight as far as campers go and some of the home built teardrops would be a lot heavier considering the methods they use to build them.
But I do agree you have to consider the weight and safety of carrying it plus camping gear.
Having said that, as a kid I went on many camping trips with the whole family in a microbus. First we had a 69 (1600) and later we had a 79 2lt.
They both towed a boat loaded as a trailer, a whole family in the cabin with more food and gear plus the fully loaded boat was very heavy. Yes they were slow up hills, and the 69 was not adequately braked for the job so my dad upgraded with that excuse but the 2lt did it easily with some careful consideration by my father.
Firstly, load distribution was a big concern whenever he loaded up, but the main thing that made the whole setup relatively safe and road-sound was the addition of torsion bar load levelers at the hitch. The ones he had also had coil springs along the length to prevent jack knifing. The added benefit of that was it made the whole thing a lot easier when reversing.
So with all the brains in the room I'm pretty sure if someone wanted that 350lb trailer behind a type3 it wouldn't be impossible but maybe not a great idea in a stock vehicle. |
Exactly why I posted a empty 200 lb trailer
Perfect for a Type 3.
Link
That I will be towing behind a 1974 1800cc VW Westfalia bus as well as a 1977 Westfalia 2L bus
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OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1964 1500 S
1964 T34 S Convertible
1977 Westfalia Camper pop-top |
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Yabbadubbadoo Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2012 Posts: 914
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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That's a neat solution and certainly something I would personally consider for camping or mountainbiking weekends cause it has a readymade bike rack and I don't mind sleeping in a tent too much but it's not exactly comparing apples with apples against the tiny camper with it's own house inside.
Say someone were to tow a relatively heavy Teardrop or the custom camper I posted the link to, what would be the mods, improvements, or considerations that people here would do to a type three to make it a safe and comfortable experience? Say all up you're adding 500lb of towed and internally carried load to a bone dry type 3, what would you do? |
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22416 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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Yabbadubbadoo wrote: |
That's a neat solution and certainly something I would personally consider for camping or mountainbiking weekends cause it has a readymade bike rack and I don't mind sleeping in a tent too much but it's not exactly comparing apples with apples against the tiny camper with it's own house inside.
Say someone were to tow a relatively heavy Teardrop or the custom camper I posted the link to, what would be the mods, improvements, or considerations that people here would do to a type three to make it a safe and comfortable experience? Say all up you're adding 500lb of towed and internally carried load to a bone dry type 3, what would you do? |
There are no apples to compare that boat trailer to when towing with a T3. Unless you have a bigger motor or a conversion with more torque and horsepower. If you want big then the car needs to be able to tow it. The T3 can for short stuff but not long jauts - you will kill it. Therefore one would be mad to think that a "stock" T3 can drag a trailer around like that with any kind of longevity or consistency. That boat one is a pipe dream if you have a stock T3.
One of the bigger reasons I got into buses is just this reason. The T3 is not a bus and a T3 isn't a camper Its a sedan meant to carry a couple in comfort. Your family bus did it because the transmission is meant to pull load the T3 is not.
So by the time you make a T3 drivetrain into a bus - it still wont be a bus with all its benefits.
What was that neat little trailer Neil had? It folded out into a tent thingy. But if you intend on pulling anything long distance with a stock T3, it is going to have to be one of these little wheelbarrows _________________
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OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22416 Location: Escondido CA
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22358 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Yabbadubbadoo wrote: |
That's a neat solution and certainly something I would personally consider for camping or mountainbiking weekends cause it has a readymade bike rack and I don't mind sleeping in a tent too much but it's not exactly comparing apples with apples against the tiny camper with it's own house inside.
Say someone were to tow a relatively heavy Teardrop or the custom camper I posted the link to, what would be the mods, improvements, or considerations that people here would do to a type three to make it a safe and comfortable experience? Say all up you're adding 500lb of towed and internally carried load to a bone dry type 3, what would you do? |
Yes, BUT, you'd need a fresh engine, trans, and brakes to do it. But it can be done. VW limited most trailers to a total weight of 1000 lbs, and 100 lbs tounge weight. IF you're within those parameters, you should be good to go. Anything over that, then you need to look at trailer stabilization parts, and possibly a larger engine, or a larger vehicle. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
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People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22416 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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If you have a squareback - chances are you have stiffer rear torsion as well. If you have anything other - expect a tail drag due to tongue weight.
A empty T3 is very ambitious indeed. Going on a trip with no passengers or gear are we? Time to buy a two liter _________________
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OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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There are newer options as well. One of the reasons I posted a small-light-vintage trailer is that you can mount something like this on it or put it up on the roof of the square.
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Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1964 1500 S
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1977 Westfalia Camper pop-top |
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nodrenim Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2006 Posts: 843 Location: Dobson, North Carolina
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Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:39 am Post subject: |
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I have literature from the Quicksilver aluminum teardrops, that are made in Montana, and some models can be towed by a Harley Davidson motorcycle. I have not seen one in the flesh, but they seem to be a very good unit. Try Quicksilver.com. |
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Envious Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2003 Posts: 1819 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:08 am Post subject: |
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With my Heilite single wheel. Absolutely no issues pulling this. I barely know that it's there.
_________________ 71 Type 1302 Custom
64 Type 151
63 Type 117 L469 Anthracite
64 Type 361 L575 Nutria
64 Porsche 356c
56 Type 113 L227 Strato Silver
52 BSA C11G
59 Heilite Single Wheel Camping Trailer
56 Allstate Single Wheel
84 Vanagon Westfalia
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22416 Location: Escondido CA
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Bluerodent Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Look for an Aliner Alite. I don't think Aliner makes that model anymore, but the Alite weighs something like 400 lbs and people even tow them with large motorcycles. I have an Aliner Scout (that I tow with something other than an aircooled VW) that is very nice. High quality and easy towing.
Something else to consider beyond the weight of a trailer is the aerodynamic load. A folding camper or other, similar flat trailer has a lot less drag than a hardside camper, or other tall trailer. At 60+ mph, a tall trailer adds a lot of load due to wind resistance. |
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SBD Samba Member
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