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DeadSetMonkey Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2010 Posts: 532 Location: Denver, CO
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:50 am Post subject: How hard is it to remove the luggage rack from my westy? |
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I have a 1990 Syncro Westy.
I'd like to spruce up my luggage rack with stainless hardware... put in some little screens in the drainage holes to keep crap from getting under it... wash it thoroughly... get a new sticker on the front... etc...
I presume this would all be much easier to accomplish with the thing OFF the van... And, if it is off the van... maybe I'd even paint it and put on a fresh seal?
Removing the luggage rack easy?
Can of worms? or easy project?
Any ideas of things I "should also do, while doing that?" _________________ ----------------------------------------------------
'90 Syncro Westy 2.5Subi Turbo, BFGs 215/75/15 Rheins |
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j_dirge Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2007 Posts: 4641 Location: Twain Harte, CA
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Fairley easy.
The two painted bolts on front.. and a dozen or so smaller screws along the flange between it and the pop top.
Prepare to find a load of crud under the luggage rack piece.. and prepare to find a little rust where the fasteners go..
Clean that all up and prep it against further rust.
Also look for wear spots in the paint from where the top molding makes contact with the paint.
Touch up to prevent rust as appropriate. _________________ -89 GL Westy, SVX.. finally.
-57 pan f/g buggy with a 67 pancake Type 3 "S"
"Jimi Hendrix owned one. Richard Nixon did not"
-Grand Tour, Season 1, episodes 4 and 5
danfromsyr wrote: |
those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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DeadSetMonkey Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2010 Posts: 532 Location: Denver, CO
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:56 am Post subject: |
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Did my luggage rack originally come from the German factory painted in the same color as the body (I have a White 1990 Van). Currently the body and top have both faded enough, it is hard to know if they started the same. I presume they both started the same color... _________________ ----------------------------------------------------
'90 Syncro Westy 2.5Subi Turbo, BFGs 215/75/15 Rheins |
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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Taking it off is not that difficult.
Putting it back on can be challenging the first time. |
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j_dirge Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2007 Posts: 4641 Location: Twain Harte, CA
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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DeadSetMonkey wrote: |
Did my luggage rack originally come from the German factory painted in the same color as the body (I have a White 1990 Van). Currently the body and top have both faded enough, it is hard to know if they started the same. I presume they both started the same color... |
I don't know if the white tops were painted white to match the body white.
The colored tops behave like paint.. not gelcoat. (my opinion.. can't say for fact how the color is done)
and the tops are all white under the color.
How does white "fade"?
Has the top discolored, maybe.. yellowed a bit?
Could be use of wax build up.. or oxidation.. and may just need a good cleaning is all. _________________ -89 GL Westy, SVX.. finally.
-57 pan f/g buggy with a 67 pancake Type 3 "S"
"Jimi Hendrix owned one. Richard Nixon did not"
-Grand Tour, Season 1, episodes 4 and 5
danfromsyr wrote: |
those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Boat hull cleaner oil based Penetrol very nice looking Westy top. |
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DeadSetMonkey Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2010 Posts: 532 Location: Denver, CO
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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j_dirge wrote: |
DeadSetMonkey wrote: |
Did my luggage rack originally come from the German factory painted in the same color as the body (I have a White 1990 Van). Currently the body and top have both faded enough, it is hard to know if they started the same. I presume they both started the same color... |
How does white "fade"?
Has the top discolored, maybe.. yellowed a bit?
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yeah, oxidized, yellowed, some greyish haze too... still white... but not a "fresh" looking white...
Maybe all I need to to is get at it with a super good cleaning and antioxidant treatment (i know there are tons of threads on this topic...)
But, I was thinking, with the thing off the van... maybe it'd the right time to
"redo" it with fresh paint? Maybe I need to visit the painting threads to see what the best way to restore a fiberglass top to as new condition is... _________________ ----------------------------------------------------
'90 Syncro Westy 2.5Subi Turbo, BFGs 215/75/15 Rheins |
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DeadSetMonkey Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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insyncro wrote: |
Boat hull cleaner oil based Penetrol very nice looking Westy top. |
even for white?
i had thought that the penetrol brings a bit of yellow-tint into the mix?
maybe not?
i've seen all the kick-ass results with penetrol on the colored tops... but was nervous about using it on a white top?
maybe i should not be nervous? _________________ ----------------------------------------------------
'90 Syncro Westy 2.5Subi Turbo, BFGs 215/75/15 Rheins |
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insyncro Banned
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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I have had no issue with the oil based Penetrol product and yellowing.
I do spray it evenly though.
No clue as to the issues other have had with it.
The water based product is not the same as what I use. |
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madspaniard Samba Member
Joined: August 18, 2008 Posts: 3795 Location: Alameda, CA
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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Here is GoWesty video showing how to remove/install luggage rack
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=c4-feed-u&v=tBS8kbENHEs _________________ 1991 Westy auto w/ Peloquin TBD
"The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad” - Salvador Dali |
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chimivee Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2009 Posts: 741 Location: Orange, CA
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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DeadSetMonkey wrote: |
But, I was thinking, with the thing off the van... maybe it'd the right time to "redo" it with fresh paint? |
Whatever you do, do the same thing to the pop top. IMHO, one yucky and one nice looks worse than matching yuckies. _________________ -James
86 Syncro Westy, etc |
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DeadSetMonkey Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2010 Posts: 532 Location: Denver, CO
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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chimivee wrote: |
DeadSetMonkey wrote: |
But, I was thinking, with the thing off the van... maybe it'd the right time to "redo" it with fresh paint? |
Whatever you do, do the same thing to the pop top. IMHO, one yucky and one nice looks worse than matching yuckies. |
I tend to agree... but the pop-top refurbish seems like a definite can of worms! where the luggage rack seems sooo easy in comparison.... _________________ ----------------------------------------------------
'90 Syncro Westy 2.5Subi Turbo, BFGs 215/75/15 Rheins |
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creative native Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 1227 Location: WNC
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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I also added the stainless cleats to my 1986 Westfalia's luggage rack last year and I do think they are a nice upgrade from the originals, which by now are most always oxidized and ugly. You will have to drill the rivets from the original cleats. The new hardware from GoWesty attach by nut and bolt. I agree with previous comments to expect a lot of crud under your luggage rack. The two most tricky parts of this for me was being careful to align the luggage rack holes located in the rear with the upright bolts that extend from under the roof. If you accidentally knock those bolts down, I expect you will have to remove the headliner above the front seats to retrieve them. Those bolts are held in place presumably by some adhesive around the bolt head. The other complication is aligning the side mounting bracket and bolts. The bracket on the driver's side of mine kept twisting after I remounted the luggage rack. I would like to add those cone screens to my luggage rack's drain holes. Where did you get yours? |
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yycwesty Samba Member
Joined: August 20, 2012 Posts: 403 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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Great post..I currently have my luggage rack off. Cleaned up well and minimal rust. Would it be worth packing some waterproof insulation between the metal roof and the luggage rack (insulation would be very well wrapped and sealed in heavy duty plastic to prevent exposure to water and possibly rust.. Would this reduce any wind or sound noise. Any other tips for reducing the wind noise pertaining to the luggage rack. Seals seem to be in great condition
Cheers
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wecm31 Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2012 Posts: 358 Location: Eganville, Ontario
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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creative native wrote: |
I would like to add those cone screens to my luggage rack's drain holes. Where did you get yours? |
I just used some plumbing screens with the attached rubber washer,
the kind that are in faucets. Any hardware store...
Once the rack was off, I glued the screens from the bottom up, so the
washer part is hidden, the screen forms a small dome in the luggage bay. _________________ Gerald P
1985 Vanagon (Betty) & 1985 BMW R80RT (Wilhelm)
vintage boxers!!
Gone are the days we stopped to decide
Where we should go, we just ride:) |
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creative native Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 1227 Location: WNC
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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Al, I have considered the same ideas and have not decided on anything yet. I was also lucky and other than some dirt and pine needles, I had no serious problems under my luggage rack. Gerald's idea is great and I will be at the hardware store tomorrow. Good luck, Al and let us know how you proceed with it. Thanks for the suggestion, Gerald. |
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yycwesty Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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I think just putting the screens in will do me as well. I don't see/hear from anyone who added sound proofing/insulation to the outside. I will add it above the headliner.
So plumbing screens it is..Good luck with your work Gerald and thanks for the advice Creative
Cheers
Al |
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outdoornate65 Samba Member
Joined: September 29, 2012 Posts: 161 Location: SE burbs of Denver, Colorado
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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I recently did a spruce-up of my pop-top and luggage rack.
The luggage rack was easy to remove and I was very surprised by the amount of debris under there once I removed it.
I added small pieces of screen to the underside of the drain holes and secured them in place with some 3M 5200 I had laying around. I also backed the new SS cleats with alum pieces to strengthen the tie-downs.
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tam_shops Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2012 Posts: 1530 Location: Vancouver BC
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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I've also read that Penetrol yellows white tops, no idea how or why, just recall reading it. Probably on the Penetrol thread. In that same thread there were some other ideas on how to freshen it up, don't recall what, as I have a blue top and it worked great for me. I've done it 4 times now.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=314474&highlight=penetrol
tam
DeadSetMonkey wrote: |
insyncro wrote: |
Boat hull cleaner oil based Penetrol very nice looking Westy top. |
even for white?
i had thought that the penetrol brings a bit of yellow-tint into the mix?
maybe not?
i've seen all the kick-ass results with penetrol on the colored tops... but was nervous about using it on a white top?
maybe i should not be nervous? |
_________________ 1987 Vanagon Westfalia GL Automatic
Making it special:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=545885 |
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DeadSetMonkey Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:52 am Post subject: |
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outdoornate65 wrote: |
I also backed the new SS cleats with alum pieces to strengthen the tie-downs.
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Where did you source the little aluminum pieces? Local bigbox hardware store? If you can recall the size/thickness... that'd save me some brain strain... else, I am sure it is not rocket science to figure that out. _________________ ----------------------------------------------------
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