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vw moses Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2012 Posts: 213 Location: independance,louisiana
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:51 pm Post subject: mis-fire at 2000rpm |
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i get a carb. pop at 2000rpm-it's like a backfire then goes away? what can cause this? I have duel hpmx 40 magna-spark dist-i cleaned the carbs in&out still happens-magna spark&wires brand new?? |
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udidwht Samba Member
Joined: March 06, 2005 Posts: 3779 Location: Seattle, WA./ HB, Ca./ Shizuoka, Japan
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Check the points. _________________ 1972 Westy Hardtop/Type-4 2056cc
96mm Biral AA P/C's~7.8:1CR
Headflow Masters New AMC 42x36mm heads w/Porsche swivel adjusters
71mm Stroke
73 Web Cam w/Web solids
Dual 40mm IDF Webers - LM-2 - 47.5 idles/125 mains/190 air corr./F11 tubes/28mm Vents - Float height 10.45mm/Drop 32mm
Bosch SVDA w/Pertronix module (7.5 initial 28 total @ 3400rpm)
Bosch W8CC plugs
Pertronix Flamethrower 40K coil
S&S 4-1 w/Walker QP 17862
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vw moses Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2012 Posts: 213 Location: independance,louisiana
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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it dosen't have points elec.type ing. |
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77charger Samba Member
Joined: November 12, 2005 Posts: 1492
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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are the idle jets clear? _________________ Click to view image
Bugpack 4 seater rail
2275 built by me
Auto linea alm case,82 dpr crank wedgemated by DK machine
cb 5.4 h beams,12 pound DPR f/w,Slr xv294cam,cb straight cuts,hpmx 44s,40x35 heads ported by brothers machine |
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vw moses Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2012 Posts: 213 Location: independance,louisiana
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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yea,I think so I shot everything with b-12 carb. cleaner&blew out the emls. tubes with air-compressor--i didn't take out idle jets or idle screws(didn't want to change settings) It backfires out carb POP_POP then dosen't do it again until i rev. it up. ar. 2000-2500 pop Hiss? i'm thinking cross fire on the wires,but I don't know! _________________ Youtube@vw moses
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convertable-beetle-w/bugspray & screamer dist.(019) gone
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63 one of a kind beetle. 57 dash,double rear window--sweet! |
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MURZI Samba Member
Joined: August 25, 2005 Posts: 5063 Location: Madisonville, La
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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I just tuned a 1776 with those carbs...seems as if the empi clones like more idle jet. I would up at 55/130/200. You should richen the idle circuit and run at least a 125 main.
This weekend I will be tuning a 1850 with a 2241 and empi carbs as well. _________________ 62 vert
2276
Tim’s welded heads
45 Dells
A1 sidewinder
Fk44 cam |
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vw moses Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2012 Posts: 213 Location: independance,louisiana
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the heads up--the carbs come with 52/115/200 i'll change to your recommendation 55/130/200 I didn't know the jet size would cause the pop&cough! must be "STARVING" I'll let you know-now back to ordering & waiting! _________________ Youtube@vw moses
73 thing-gone
66 beetle-gone
62 beetle-gone
57 beetle-gone
convertable-beetle-w/bugspray & screamer dist.(019) gone
"Where There's a Will There's a Way"
63 one of a kind beetle. 57 dash,double rear window--sweet! |
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MURZI Samba Member
Joined: August 25, 2005 Posts: 5063 Location: Madisonville, La
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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I'd try 125's first. Did you try to adjust mixture screws out? Set float levels to 10.5mm?? _________________ 62 vert
2276
Tim’s welded heads
45 Dells
A1 sidewinder
Fk44 cam |
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vw moses Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2012 Posts: 213 Location: independance,louisiana
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't adj. idle screws--I did tweak the floats according to Weber carb book 10mm up 30mm down, Already ordered mains&idle jets(55+130) they shouldn't starve now. But We'll See.I'll report the results _________________ Youtube@vw moses
73 thing-gone
66 beetle-gone
62 beetle-gone
57 beetle-gone
convertable-beetle-w/bugspray & screamer dist.(019) gone
"Where There's a Will There's a Way"
63 one of a kind beetle. 57 dash,double rear window--sweet! |
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MURZI Samba Member
Joined: August 25, 2005 Posts: 5063 Location: Madisonville, La
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Before you change idle jets, I would remove them and clean them. Turn each one in until the rpm drops and then come out 1/4-1/2 turn. Do this on each one, and then do it again..... _________________ 62 vert
2276
Tim’s welded heads
45 Dells
A1 sidewinder
Fk44 cam |
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77charger Samba Member
Joined: November 12, 2005 Posts: 1492
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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Theres no setting for idle jets they just screw in thats all.The mixture screws are what take some adjusting but even if they are off slightly they wont cause a miss.
Starting at 1.25-1.5 turns out from lightly seated should be good enough to get a good start on tuning them. _________________ Click to view image
Bugpack 4 seater rail
2275 built by me
Auto linea alm case,82 dpr crank wedgemated by DK machine
cb 5.4 h beams,12 pound DPR f/w,Slr xv294cam,cb straight cuts,hpmx 44s,40x35 heads ported by brothers machine |
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MURZI Samba Member
Joined: August 25, 2005 Posts: 5063 Location: Madisonville, La
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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77charger wrote: |
Theres no setting for idle jets they just screw in thats all.The mixture screws are what take some adjusting but even if they are off slightly they wont cause a miss.
Starting at 1.25-1.5 turns out from lightly seated should be good enough to get a good start on tuning them. |
Interesting...I have been doing wrong all this time.... No wonder my idle jets keep falling out.
Didn't mean to confuse the guy... _________________ 62 vert
2276
Tim’s welded heads
45 Dells
A1 sidewinder
Fk44 cam |
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FreeBug Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2012 Posts: 4278 Location: deepest, darkest Switzerland
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:46 am Post subject: |
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ok, i am going to work off of some assumptions here: The engine has some miles on it and has always worked fine. You change plug wires, and now it is lean in the idle/progression circuit. Could it be that to change the wires you took out the carbs, and developed a vacuum leak between manifold and head? Quick to check. |
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Quokka42 Samba Member
Joined: December 02, 2010 Posts: 3117 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, that's it - vacuum leaking out all over the place... Seriously though, backfiring is usually lean mixture. Check for leaks and check your jetting in that order. BTW, you should have pulled all the jets to clean the carbs - they're really good at catching stuff and causing the engine to lean out. _________________ There has only ever been one man who was perfect, and they nailed Him to a cross. |
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vw moses Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2012 Posts: 213 Location: independance,louisiana
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:16 am Post subject: |
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Ok,Before I take off carbs. I'll start,(does Idle OK) and shoot some starting fluid at base&intake gaskets--the carbs are brand new w/maby 10 miles if that on them; If that.When I took em down everything spotless(got 2 fuel filtere 1 bf-elec pump-1 bf-tee) When the new jets come in everything will be b-12 w/air comp. shot(I'll won't forget to "HOLD de jets Tight") I'm pretty sure it's getting the jet sizes right' Cuze my mtr. isn't stock(has some goodies that probally need more gas to Excite! Thanks for the feedback! _________________ Youtube@vw moses
73 thing-gone
66 beetle-gone
62 beetle-gone
57 beetle-gone
convertable-beetle-w/bugspray & screamer dist.(019) gone
"Where There's a Will There's a Way"
63 one of a kind beetle. 57 dash,double rear window--sweet! |
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aerosurfer Samba Member
Joined: March 25, 2012 Posts: 1602 Location: Indianapolis, IN
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:18 am Post subject: |
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vw moses wrote: |
it dosen't have points elec.type ing. |
I had a similar problem with Pertronix... Turns out the advance plate was cutting into the wire under the rotor and eventually shorting it out. Easy FREE fix was to wrap the wire and pull it taut within the distrubitor
see my thread here about trouble shooting it... Skip to the last post on the bottom
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=563001&highlight=fuel+pump _________________ Rebuild your own FI Harness..My Harness
77 Westy 2.0L Rockin and Rolling Resto!
72 Sportsmobile (sold)
79 Tran$porter... Parts car money machine (gone) |
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