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zombievws Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2012 Posts: 136 Location: greeneville tn
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:23 am Post subject: bostig conversion |
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am I seeing things or does the conversion kit read $5995.00 ? for a do it yourself bolt in conversion.
wtf??? _________________ unique is what we seek, bizarre is what we are. |
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zombievws Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2012 Posts: 136 Location: greeneville tn
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:26 am Post subject: |
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I watched a couple of you tube videos and thought this is the way to go for sure. nice kit, simple install and looks very nice. but 6k and I supply the engine? _________________ unique is what we seek, bizarre is what we are. |
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thatvwbusguy Samba Member
Joined: April 18, 2007 Posts: 1712 Location: Newmarket, New Hampshire
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:54 am Post subject: |
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Check out the prices of comparable DIY conversion kits. The price for the Bostig kit is honestly a good deal for a fully developed and incredibly well supported system to re-power your van with an easy to maintain, dependable modern engine.
Complete, low mileage Zetec's are routinely purchased for less than $500.00.
Try to find people in your area with the various engine conversions so you can see them first hand and see which one is right for you. _________________ Jay Brown
'85 Zetec Westfalia
Newmarket, NH
If you want others to be happy, practice compassion.
If you want to be happy, practice compassion. |
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Last (4) conversions completed at my shop...Bostig |
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zombievws Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2012 Posts: 136 Location: greeneville tn
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:10 am Post subject: |
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the kit looks very easy to do. great job on the layout. what about the huge mounting setup. is it a bolt in or cut /drill/ weld in. _________________ unique is what we seek, bizarre is what we are. |
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:15 am Post subject: |
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The entire kit and process are designed for a DIYer, without a lift and alot of tools.
Very basic mechanical abilities are needed to make the swap.
Reading the directions is all that seemed challenging to me...haha, but seriously, it is the most comprehensive bolt in kit available for the Vanagon, my opinion. |
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regis101 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Livermore, Ca
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:28 am Post subject: |
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When I search hp and tq specs, it appears the 99-02's come in at 135 tq and 127 hp.
Doesn't seem like a huge gain. What is the major draw to this engine/swap? _________________ Peace, Regis |
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:35 am Post subject: |
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HUGEs gains will cost HUGE $s to beef up brakes, suspension...the rest of the driveline.
Modest, smooth power gains are a nice "upgrade" |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32625 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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regis101 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Livermore, Ca
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:04 am Post subject: |
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HUGEs gains will cost HUGE $s to beef up brakes, suspension...the rest of the driveline. Modest, smooth power gains are a nice "upgrade" |
Well spoken. I ran into a guy with a loaded Syncro and was running this set up. He seemed happy with it.
As for me? I live in Cali-land. sigh _________________ Peace, Regis |
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davevickery Samba Member
Joined: July 16, 2005 Posts: 2887 Location: Fort Collins, CO
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:20 am Post subject: |
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It seems a bit expensive to me. H20's 1.8t is also a complete kit and was 6500 last I saw and says you dont need to buy as much as a washer or hose clamp. The engine is a bit more but it is a very strong motor and puts out more power.
There are complete Subaru conversion kits too for less. Seems tho me the attraction to Boston is lots of shiny new parts, a low mileage engine, support and ease of install which appeals to less skilled DIYrs.
I like the Subaru. |
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buildyourown Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2009 Posts: 1668 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Yes, the price is a little steep, and you can do better doing an EJ22 if you scrounge all your own parts.
Do some comparing and you can compare the pros and cons of ea conversion. The Zetec is a pretty solid choice and the conversion is well sorted and very reliable. The engine is cheap because there are so many available. There are more 2000cc Zetecs sitting in junk yards than there are Suburas made, ever. It's not that the engine is cheap, it's that they never failed so nobody buys them out of yards. Parts are also very cheap and available at every corner auto parts store in the world.
The power gains are modest, but the operating rpm range is much higher. Letting the Zetec pull to 6500 in 3rd feels comfortable. Can't do that with the WBX.
A major selling point for me was the completely new wiring harness. No hacking of wires, just plug it in and turn the key. No 20 yo wires to crack and fail. |
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 9:06 am Post subject: |
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I agree about the NEW wiring harness.
The Bostig conversion for Syncros offers the most coverage and best devised transmission and engine skid system on the market today.
The oil pan upgrade and both skids are additional to the cost of the kit.
If you are looking for the "cheapest" conversion...well, you get what you pay for...period |
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JudoJeff Samba Member
Joined: May 24, 2013 Posts: 1179 Location: Near Springfield, MA
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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I posted all of my conversion costs here on my Bostig. Accurate down to the last penny. I feel Bostig is a BARGAIN! I love driving my westy and not thinking about the engine.
My best friend is doing a subi conversion and is an aircraft mechanic, and an auto mechanic. He's stuck and the thing has sat half done for over a year. He's spent a lot of money and has nothing to show for it.
If you buy a rebuilt WBX engine, you're going to spend a comparable amount to the Bostig. But it's still old technology! Go for the gold that you can maintain and repair, IF it ever needs it.
You have to look at the big picture: How much will it cost to maintain over the life of the vehicle? Bostig wins hands down. If my engine fails, I go to the junkyard and pick up another one for $500 or less. Install the parts , and put it back into the camper. Off on road trips for another 100,000 miles! _________________ ________________________________________
1989 Vanagon GL Westfalia Camper, Burned up on 7/31/16.
1987 Vanagon GL Westfalia Camper, Bostig & Rebuilt, sold
1986 Vanagon GL Westfalia Camper, Bostig Sold May 10, 2021
1999 Ford GTRV Westfalia camper (30% bigger Westy layout) |
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ithinkso Samba Member
Joined: February 14, 2010 Posts: 186 Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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I just put 5000+ miles on my bostig'ed westy over the summer on a roadtrip to Canada.
The only thing I had to fix on the van the whole trip was a blown wiper fuse.
At the time I chose the bostig conversion because I didn't have a garage and I wanted the conversion to go quick and smoothly in a borrowed friend's garage. Now that I have a garage I think I'd still go with the bostig. _________________ “May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds.”
- Edward Abbey
1985 Westy, Zetec powered |
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chojinchef Samba Member
Joined: February 17, 2011 Posts: 1539 Location: Central Massachusetts
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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insyncro wrote: |
. ...well, you get what you pay for...period |
X2 _________________ Its a mistress; an expensive, whiney, needy bitch of a mistress. She is a chunky, dirty girl with bad skin, little motivation and yet she always makes me smile. She sure has been around before shacking up with me. She has a direct line to my wallet, plays with my emotions, is consistantly jovial yet with a sarcastic and sardonic side, is consistant in her inconsistancy, and every once in a while gives me a great ride and a fantastic memory. |
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KMStellaVan Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2014 Posts: 4 Location: Canaan Ct.
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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I have seen a few of the Bostig vans. I like all of the conversions I have seen, but the Bostig is the one that I am going to be saving my pennies for. |
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mekanism Samba Member
Joined: June 19, 2013 Posts: 94 Location: San Diego, Ca
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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You would think after all of the kits Bostig sold and made good money on that they would figure out a way to make them 50 state legal. They are missing out on a huge market here in Cali. |
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JudoJeff Samba Member
Joined: May 24, 2013 Posts: 1179 Location: Near Springfield, MA
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:08 am Post subject: |
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mekanism,
The problem is with California, not Bostig. The conversion is much, much cleaner than what the old WBX put out. But Bostig is just 3 guys, not a giant corporation. CARB's mission is to get old vehicles off the roads, NOT to approve better technology in old cars. Not fair to blame Bostig. _________________ ________________________________________
1989 Vanagon GL Westfalia Camper, Burned up on 7/31/16.
1987 Vanagon GL Westfalia Camper, Bostig & Rebuilt, sold
1986 Vanagon GL Westfalia Camper, Bostig Sold May 10, 2021
1999 Ford GTRV Westfalia camper (30% bigger Westy layout) |
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mekanism Samba Member
Joined: June 19, 2013 Posts: 94 Location: San Diego, Ca
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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JudoJeff wrote: |
mekanism,
The problem is with California, not Bostig. The conversion is much, much cleaner than what the old WBX put out. But Bostig is just 3 guys, not a giant corporation. CARB's mission is to get old vehicles off the roads, NOT to approve better technology in old cars. Not fair to blame Bostig. |
Then how did Kennedy get a their EJ22 kit CARB approved? I dont think they are a large corporation. Also, I can try and put any engine I want in my van and take it to the Ref where they will either approve or not approve based on various emissions related hardware not installed. Every Ref is different as far as their strictness on swaps. Its annoying that even if I wanted a Bostig they wont sell it to me because I live in Cali, even though I could still take it to the Ref and try to get it BAR certified with no liability placed on Bostig for selling me an engine kit. Maybe I'm wrong on this point I dont know.
What I would like to know is what is in the Bostig kit that makes it so expensive? So are you paying for their good engineering or is it the cost of the materials? $6k seems really steep for just some hardware that you bolt on. If that were the cost for a complete turn-key engine kit including engine/ecu etc.. than it would be worth it. If you have to go out to a junkyard and still collect parts you might as well go Suburu and save yourself $3k+. |
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