| Author |
Message |
snj
Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2006
Posts: 489
Location: Seattle, WA
|
 Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:32 am Post subject: |
 |
|
| snj wrote: |
| Good to know you've got a larger metal reinforcement bracket, supaninja. I've got one from a Bug on the way. I'll take some detailed pictures once I get it, and perhaps you can let me know if you spot any differences between the two. |
Well, I never got around to that, but I did finally compare the large Bug metal reinforcement plate to one from a 1971 Squareback. They're identical. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
snj
Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2006
Posts: 489
Location: Seattle, WA
|
| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:24 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ALLWAGONS wrote: |
| I'll be nosy and will chime in, when I installed my sunroof, I thought about and used the larger metal reinforcement, but it wouldn't sit right and the cranking gear would miss either one of the cables as I turned the crank to open and close the sunroof. That would cause the sunroof to pull more from one side. I dissassambled my sunroof about 4 times and I finally corrected that problem by using that small little tab. Now if you get it to work, that would be awesome. The small tab was used on earlier setups and the larger one on later ones. I will check both my spare parts and my parts books to see if there is really a difference. |
I have now verified that on later T3 sunroofs (at least on this 1971), both the large plate and small tab are used. When you put your car together, what version of the center lower piece did you use? I'm wondering if maybe the replacement part (313 877 369A) is designed to be used with both the small and large metal pieces, where the original one (313 877 369) is only supposed to be used with the small metal tab. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ALLWAGONS
Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2000
Posts: 4186
Location: Pasadena CA/DTLA soon China
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:33 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I used the small tab, as the cables would skip when I used the large plate.
_________________
I'd be UNSTOPPABLE if not for Law Enforcement and PHYSICS.
I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.
Thanks to my Tesla driving neighbors, I feel more relaxed driving my SUBURBAN and old VW's.
NON INFLUENCER APPROVED |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
snj
Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2006
Posts: 489
Location: Seattle, WA
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:43 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ALLWAGONS wrote: |
| I used the small tab, as the cables would skip when I used the large plate. |
I did a bit more digging on this, and later versions of T3 and T1 parts lists show the small tab. They list it as 241 876 363, calling it a tenioning plate, to be used on an "as needed" basis. This seems to match what you found. Adding the small tab provided the extra tension to keep the cables from skipping. Did you ever try using both the large plate and small tab at the same time? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
snj
Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2006
Posts: 489
Location: Seattle, WA
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| supaninja wrote: |
| I know there are at least two different style handle/crank gears |
Yep! I ran into that today.
Early versions (through 1967) have longer splines on both the gear assembly and the crank, and the shape of the cranks is different.
Early handle: 313 877 453
Late handle: 117 877 453
Early gear assembly: 313 877 403
Late gear assembly: 117 877 403
Late on the left, early on the right.
Early on the left, late on the right.
Late on the left, early on the right. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
type3nut64
Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2000
Posts: 347
Location: Yucaipa Ca.
|
| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:25 am Post subject: |
|
|
here is a pic of my sunroof. remember its a 63 car with 68 sunroof clip.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ALLWAGONS
Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2000
Posts: 4186
Location: Pasadena CA/DTLA soon China
|
| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:33 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| type3nut64 wrote: |
here is a pic of my sunroof. remember its a 63 car with 68 sunroof clip.
|
Thank You Sir,
that looks correct, AFAIK, VW made the later setups to fit early cars, the only modification was position of the screw holes.
_________________
I'd be UNSTOPPABLE if not for Law Enforcement and PHYSICS.
I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.
Thanks to my Tesla driving neighbors, I feel more relaxed driving my SUBURBAN and old VW's.
NON INFLUENCER APPROVED |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
type3nut64
Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2000
Posts: 347
Location: Yucaipa Ca.
|
| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:40 am Post subject: |
|
|
you like my gobbledy gooped up felt? you see the damn yellow glue where over did it  and the painer not getting orange paint in all the nooks and crannies. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Bobnotch
Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003
Posts: 22410
Location: Kimball, Mi
|
| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:59 am Post subject: |
|
|
I figured I'd bring this thread back up from the dead, since I've got a question. Can bay bus cables be used in place of the type 3 cables? I'm only asking, as ISP is out of stock on them.
I'm not opposed at modifying the bus cable length if needed.
Also, where does 1 find the small "tab" brass piece for tightening up the cable/gear tension?
I've got mine all apart at the moment, and would like to replace some parts while I'm in there.
Thanks for any help you can offer.
_________________
Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
| Tram wrote: |
| "Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
| Tram wrote: |
| People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
gregson1
Samba Member
Joined: December 13, 2004
Posts: 464
|
| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:08 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Bob - PM or email me if you want to try Bay Bus sunroof cables. I have a new set of cables that I will never use. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Erik G
Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2002
Posts: 13270
Location: Tejas!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Bobnotch
Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003
Posts: 22410
Location: Kimball, Mi
|
| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Thanks for the help guys, and I appreciate the offer Greg, but I think I'll need to clean my existing cables up first, and see how bad they are. That's a pretty decent chunk of cash for cables, that still need to be modified. I was mainly looking at my options in case mine are too worn out to re-use. Well, that and I was hoping Square to be hip was going to tell me ISP got in some more, but they're not on their web site.  You know most places don't immediately update their web sites. 
_________________
Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
| Tram wrote: |
| "Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
| Tram wrote: |
| People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Erik G
Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2002
Posts: 13270
Location: Tejas!
|
| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Bobnotch wrote: |
| Thanks for the help guys, and I appreciate the offer Greg, but I think I'll need to clean my existing cables up first, and see how bad they are. That's a pretty decent chunk of cash for cables, that still need to be modified. I was mainly looking at my options in case mine are too worn out to re-use. Well, that and I was hoping Square to be hip was going to tell me ISP got in some more, but they're not on their web site. You know most places don't immediately update their web sites. |
as far as I know, I bought the last set of cables from ISP west - $400 for SupaNinja Nick at the last classic I went to. Their website has said out of stock ever since
I'm kicking myself because once upon a time, I had a spare sunroof panel, with the rails and the cables. Pretty sure it was sold to Corey for a pretty cheap price, but he had given me a lot of parts when I first got my sunroof notchback so....
Theres a square somewhat close to me for sale that has a sunroof opening but no actual sunroof or rails or cables...
_________________
Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
squaretobehip
Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2004
Posts: 3686
Location: San Jose, CA
|
| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Bobnotch wrote: |
| Thanks for the help guys, and I appreciate the offer Greg, but I think I'll need to clean my existing cables up first, and see how bad they are. That's a pretty decent chunk of cash for cables, that still need to be modified. I was mainly looking at my options in case mine are too worn out to re-use. Well, that and I was hoping Square to be hip was going to tell me ISP got in some more, but they're not on their web site. You know most places don't immediately update their web sites. |
Yeah, I guess we only did a limited run of them. You can use bug cables; the sunroof opens up 90-95% of the way instead of 100%. They do the trick in a pinch.
I asked Alex about the bus cables but we have not had a chance to compare them to original Type 3 cables. Might not be until next week as we're a little busy getting ready for our open house and BBQ tomorrow...
_________________
1963 Notchback - Ruby Red
1963 Squareback - Pearl White
1965 Squareback - Baltic Blue
Follow ISP West on:
Facebook - www.facebook.com/ispwest
Instagram - @ispwest - www.instagram.com/ispwest |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Bobnotch
Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003
Posts: 22410
Location: Kimball, Mi
|
| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 3:21 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| squaretobehip wrote: |
| Bobnotch wrote: |
| Thanks for the help guys, and I appreciate the offer Greg, but I think I'll need to clean my existing cables up first, and see how bad they are. That's a pretty decent chunk of cash for cables, that still need to be modified. I was mainly looking at my options in case mine are too worn out to re-use. Well, that and I was hoping Square to be hip was going to tell me ISP got in some more, but they're not on their web site. You know most places don't immediately update their web sites. |
Yeah, I guess we only did a limited run of them. You can use bug cables; the sunroof opens up 90-95% of the way instead of 100%. They do the trick in a pinch.
I asked Alex about the bus cables but we have not had a chance to compare them to original Type 3 cables. Might not be until next week as we're a little busy getting ready for our open house and BBQ tomorrow... |
Yeah, that's what I figured (limited run of them). Well, I still need to look at my existing ones anyway, plus they were still working, so I know they need a good cleaning. I just was wondering about the bus cables, since those are both longer, and available thru several suppliers is all.
_________________
Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
| Tram wrote: |
| "Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
| Tram wrote: |
| People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Erik G
Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2002
Posts: 13270
Location: Tejas!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
[email protected]
Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2007
Posts: 857
Location: lincoln
|
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:52 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ALLWAGONS wrote: |
More info
Early (blue) VS Late (White) lid differences.
The adjusting nuts are different. The early has 4 holes, the late only has 2.
The early has a ridge on the front and the late is smooth.
Early (left) VS Late(right) plastic covers
Early (plastic) VS Late (metal) sunroof cable guides
|
Can I used the metal cable guides if my 65 notch had plastic ones? I'm also gonna use the ISP billet guide kit.. But I don't have cable guides |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ALLWAGONS
Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2000
Posts: 4186
Location: Pasadena CA/DTLA soon China
|
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:41 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| [email protected] wrote: |
Early (left) VS Late(right) plastic covers
Early (plastic) VS Late (metal) sunroof cable guides
|
Can I used the metal cable guides if my 65 notch had plastic ones? I'm also gonna use the ISP billet guide kit.. But I don't have cable guides[/quote]
If you are using big wing (plastic or ISP) outers, you MUST use the dual metal tube inners as they won't work with the (early)short wing outers. If you have a pair of inner plastic guides in VGC, I will trade you for a very nice set of metal tubes.
Martin
allwagons
_________________
I'd be UNSTOPPABLE if not for Law Enforcement and PHYSICS.
I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.
Thanks to my Tesla driving neighbors, I feel more relaxed driving my SUBURBAN and old VW's.
NON INFLUENCER APPROVED |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
[email protected]
Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2007
Posts: 857
Location: lincoln
|
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:50 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ALLWAGONS wrote: |
| [email protected] wrote: |
Early (left) VS Late(right) plastic covers
Early (plastic) VS Late (metal) sunroof cable guides
|
Can I used the metal cable guides if my 65 notch had plastic ones? I'm also gonna use the ISP billet guide kit.. But I don't have cable guides |
If you are using big wing (plastic or ISP) outers, you MUST use the dual metal tube inners as they won't work with the (early)short wing outers. If you have a pair of inner plastic guides in VGC, I will trade you for a very nice set of metal tubes.
Martin
allwagons[/quote]
I did have the plastic cable guide rails and I threw them away cause I thought I wouldn't need them with the ISP kit.. Would you be willing to sell the metal tubes? It would really help me out cause I can't get the sunroof back in with out them. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
[email protected]
Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2007
Posts: 857
Location: lincoln
|
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:47 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Does anyone know if the cable guide tube is something that could be made? I'm having no luck finding them. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
