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blackivory69 Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2013 Posts: 309 Location: California
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:34 pm Post subject: Timing issue. This can't be right. |
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Type1 1776cc DP. EMPI 38 EGAS Carb, 87 octane gas. It starts right away when it's cold. But it's a different story when it's hot. So I investigate. I have gas, check. When I check spark, it's weak. So I loosen the dizzy and started turning it until I got a good spark by using a screw driver technique. I installed back the cable (center cable of the dizzy) it's started right away. When I got home, I checked the timing and it's around 40-45 degree BTDC. Isn't that too advance? According to my search I should only be on 27-31 degree BTDC, right? Am I missing something here? _________________ 1970 Double Cab. Stock engine (1600 SP)
1973 Thing (Mexican Safari)
1970 Karmann Ghia Convertible
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blackivory69 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry forgot to tell what type of dizzy I have. It's a 009 with a cheap electronic ignition.
Ok. I tried to start again after 10 min and it will not start again. And this time no matter where I turn my dizzy I won't get a good spark. So I'm guessing it the electronic ignition (this are all brand new). Tomorrow I'll pick up a point and change it. _________________ 1970 Double Cab. Stock engine (1600 SP)
1973 Thing (Mexican Safari)
1970 Karmann Ghia Convertible
1969 Buggy |
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Northof49 Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2013 Posts: 1759 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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What you are doing is greek to me. Turning the distributor until you get a good spark? What is that supposed to do? _________________ 1958 Karmann Ghia owner |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51057 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Northof49 wrote: |
What you are doing is greek to me. Turning the distributor until you get a good spark? What is that supposed to do? |
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20365 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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X3...
Its either good spark or not... Does not matter where distributor is set...
Static timing is about 7.5° BTDC and run timing should be 28°-32° BTDC at 3000 RPM (or so, advance full in)...
Anything else is just messing with your mind....
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2002 Posts: 12785 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: Timing issue. This can't be right. |
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blackivory69 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Northof49 wrote: |
What you are doing is greek to me. Turning the distributor until you get a good spark? What is that supposed to do? |
Sorry for the confusion. We were in a parking lot and didn't have any timing light or test light with me. When I took off the center cable that coming from the coil and use a screw driver to test a spark, I did got some spark but they were very weak. So I played with the dizzy (kinda wiggle it) and it became stronger. This was while my wife was cranking the motor. So I installed it back and it fired right away. Yeah it's weird but that's what happen. But the second time I didn't get any spark at all, so I'm assuming the electronic point was bad. _________________ 1970 Double Cab. Stock engine (1600 SP)
1973 Thing (Mexican Safari)
1970 Karmann Ghia Convertible
1969 Buggy |
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20365 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:17 am Post subject: |
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IF you are dead along side of road, bring #1 up to 7.5° BTDC mark on pulley, point rotor to notch in distributor body (#1 cylinder, rotate distributor and clamp it down), it will run there just fine till you can fine tune it.... Millions of VW aircooled are timed this way and run forever....
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blackivory69 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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I was thinking of buying a point to replace the electronic that's on my 009 but I just remember that I bought a BRUCK Distributor w/ vacuum advance when we were vacationing in Mexico. So I took off the 009 and replaced it with the Bruck distributor, adjusted the valve, checked the gap (.016"), static timed and it fired right away. Drove it around the block till it got hot, turned it off, waited for about 10 min and YES! It started again!! I drove it to my work and it ran good.
I did a search about the BRUCK brand and I found out that they are made in China. Well, most of the parts on this "junk motor" of mine are probably the lowest and cheapest parts that the builder can buy anyway so what the heck. At least it's running good for now and I have no more flat spot which I had before on 1st gear on the 009. I'll be amazed if this motor will reach 50k miles. Biggest mistake I made
Almost forgot to thank you guys. Thankssssss. _________________ 1970 Double Cab. Stock engine (1600 SP)
1973 Thing (Mexican Safari)
1970 Karmann Ghia Convertible
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:47 am Post subject: |
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when you turn the dist it will change the timing. |
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