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-Zodiac- Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2014 Posts: 782 Location: Pensacola/milton, florida
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:28 am Post subject: How do you feel about Bondo or fiberglass? |
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I've started work on my 73 coupe ,and I was sanding the trunk area and noticed rust holes and so on where the Spare tire would sit. I don't Have the money or recourses to fabricate or replace. I cleaned it up and treated the area with ospho, but I want to know how you feel about fiberglass or bondo to repair these types of areas. I'll post pictures when I get home. Also have a similar problem on the Bottom of my deck lid |
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CiderGuy Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2013 Posts: 1351 Location: Bucks County, Pa
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:44 am Post subject: Re: How do you feel about Bondo or fiberglass? |
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-Zodiac- wrote: |
I've started work on my 73 coupe ,and I was sanding the trunk area and noticed rust holes and so on where the Spare tire would sit. I don't Have the money or recourses to fabricate or replace. |
I am also working on a 73 coupe and have found that many of the metal replacement parts for sale, are the exact same metal part sold by many different vendors, but the prices for that same part can have as much as a $25.00 difference. Pays to shop around.
In the end its your car do what you think best, but always keep in mind what you do can affect the resell price. |
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Northof49 Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2013 Posts: 1759 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:54 am Post subject: |
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It might be a short term solution to the problem if the rust can get access to the atmosphere and separate the bondo from the metal.
I'm fine with plastic filler over good metal, like welded seams. I have some pretty thick, 25 plus years old on my ghia, and it is holding up just fine. But that was over rough body work, not rust. _________________ 1958 Karmann Ghia owner |
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-Zodiac- Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2014 Posts: 782 Location: Pensacola/milton, florida
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Enjoying the opinions ,I might replace it one day but I'm just looking for a good fix so I can make it smooth and paint it so it's more presentable. I do live in a humid area so I'm looking for something that can hold, and not allow any future problems.
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8206 Location: San Dimas
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-Zodiac- Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2014 Posts: 782 Location: Pensacola/milton, florida
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:13 am Post subject: |
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c21darrel wrote: |
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It might be a short term solution |
This.
The ospho is short term, I would, grind/sand...whatever to remove as much as possible. Metal prep/phosphoric acid and then seal with something like Masterseries. Now it wont come back and when you have available funds you can complete any metal replacement. Good luck. |
Gotcha,I've been using rustoleum , would this be sufficient ? |
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Northof49 Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2013 Posts: 1759 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:16 am Post subject: |
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I think you need to figure in the cost of the paint job that is going over it, and the consequences of having to potentially re-do the work. If it's a do it yourself, cheapo paint job, and you just want it to look good for now, then you can cut corners. But if you are paying someone thousands of dollars to paint over it, you don't want that fix to be short term. Replacing the rusty panel or patching it with metal is the best solution. _________________ 1958 Karmann Ghia owner |
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-Zodiac- Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2014 Posts: 782 Location: Pensacola/milton, florida
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Northof49 wrote: |
I think you need to figure in the cost of the paint job that is going over it, and the consequences of having to potentially re-do the work. If it's a do it yourself, cheapo paint job, and you just want it to look good for now, then you can cut corners. But if you are paying someone thousands of dollars to paint over it, you don't want that fix to be short term. Replacing the rusty panel or patching it with metal is the best solution. |
Yepp just a cheap paint job going to make it matte blue and black, it's not in a noticeable place so when I get the funds I'll just re paint that section |
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-Zodiac- Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2014 Posts: 782 Location: Pensacola/milton, florida
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Here's the pics,not the best and probably doesn't show up well
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8206 Location: San Dimas
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iowegian Samba Curmudgeon
Joined: February 16, 2005 Posts: 9826 Location: Somewhere between Dubuque and Keokuk
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:47 am Post subject: |
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-Zodiac- wrote: |
Here's the pics,not the best and probably doesn't show up well
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The simplest solution to the engine lid rust is to just find a good used one to replace it.
I have repaired areas like your spare tire well by putting a temporary patch of foil tape to the underside (if the holes aren't huge) and pouring several thin coats of POR15 from the top side after correct preparation of the existing metal. I have also encapsulated a small sheet metal patch in that POR15. Now, I know that some will be screaming "Hack Job", but it does work on a budget job----------------especially in concealed areas like under the spare tire. |
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-Zodiac- Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2014 Posts: 782 Location: Pensacola/milton, florida
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Taking all of this into consideration ,I've heard of por15 on here before. I guess I'll get some of that and some masterseries, and keep it for future use. I'll keep my eyes peeled for a deck lid on the classifieds ,and there's a vw meet here in October maybe I can luck up and get one local. Should I keep my lid and fix it? The rest of it is in good shape. |
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8206 Location: San Dimas
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-Zodiac- Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2014 Posts: 782 Location: Pensacola/milton, florida
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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I'll find a metal fab guy if I need it fixed. love the idea of those,but for the price I can probably get a nice replacement . |
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mlhsquared Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2008 Posts: 1482 Location: Strasburg, VA
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:28 am Post subject: |
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-Zodiac- wrote: |
Taking all of this into consideration ,I've heard of por15 on here before. I guess I'll get some of that and some masterseries, and keep it for future use. |
You don't need both, just one or the other. They do the same thing and are competitive products. I will not recommend one over the other, but you will likely get all kinds of advice on that. It's all in the prep. Prepare the areas right and either one will do the job. Oh, and wear gloves. _________________ Mike
'67 Ghia Coupe |
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8206 Location: San Dimas
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-Zodiac- Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2014 Posts: 782 Location: Pensacola/milton, florida
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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c21darrel wrote: |
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Oh, and wear gloves. Wink |
Two pair of gloves |
This stuff must be heavy duty! |
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iowegian Samba Curmudgeon
Joined: February 16, 2005 Posts: 9826 Location: Somewhere between Dubuque and Keokuk
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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-Zodiac- wrote: |
c21darrel wrote: |
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Oh, and wear gloves. Wink |
Two pair of gloves |
This stuff must be heavy duty! |
You will not get it off of your skin (or out of your hair) and will wear it like a badge of honor for a long time. |
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didget69 Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2004 Posts: 4925 Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:36 am Post subject: |
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Fiberglass? It's great for boats, bathtubs, and surf boards. Sucks for attaching it to steel & having it last.
bnc _________________ I never found the need to impress people with any mechanic certifications, trophies or track wins... unless it was for Mom to post on the refrigerator door. |
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-Zodiac- Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2014 Posts: 782 Location: Pensacola/milton, florida
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 9:16 am Post subject: |
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didget69 wrote: |
Fiberglass? It's great for boats, bathtubs, and surf boards. Sucks for attaching it to steel & having it last.
bnc |
Well it's on a horizontal piece, I figured that since water drains out of it the fiberglass would be a solution to make it look good and stop rust. But I'm going to do what I can do, and purchase some por 15 |
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