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raygreenwood
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While reading this thread an looking for an image to respond to bluebus86 with.....I simply google "god of engineering" and looked under google images and found that half a page down. I thought it was hilarious looking!
I have no idea what that page related to.....im afraid to look!
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raul arrese
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| So if im a lazy ass and I want to torque my axle nut without working up a sweat can I use a 50 ft bar and just lay my 5 lb Chihuahua on it ? |
YEP... 250ft-lbs torque applies at fastener...
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Not an accurate way to do it. That bar has weight. You would need an engineer to figure out the formula for the weight of the bar and then get the required weight chihuahua to stand at the proper distance on the bar.
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I will counter balance the bar so its at zero ... and please have faith in my chihuahua
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| raul arrese wrote: |
| Ace wrote: |
| Dale M. wrote: |
| raul arrese wrote: |
| So if im a lazy ass and I want to torque my axle nut without working up a sweat can I use a 50 ft bar and just lay my 5 lb Chihuahua on it ? |
YEP... 250ft-lbs torque applies at fastener...
Dale |
Not an accurate way to do it. That bar has weight. You would need an engineer to figure out the formula for the weight of the bar and then get the required weight chihuahua to stand at the proper distance on the bar.
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I will counter balance the bar so its at zero ... and please have faith in my chihuahua |
exactly, a 100 ft bar, with the socket centered, and your chihuahua on one end. |
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chrisflstf
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| with a 100 ft bar, it would flex so much, you would run out of rotating room |
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57BLITZ
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Raul, use a fifty foot long bar, socket exactly in the middle, use your chihuahua and borrow a second five-pound chihuahua from a neighbor! Just make sure that the second chihuahua weighs exactly five pounds!
If the borrowed dog is of a different weight, see if the neighbor that you borrowed the dog from can also lend you a slide-rule and a Ti-45 calculator so you can figure how much of a counter weight to put on the other end of the fifty-foot bar . . . you might need to borrow a parakeet or a gerbil to get the torque just right!
Keep at it . . . you might need to give it a few tries to get the process down, but I have seen what you are capable of . . . YOU CAN DO IT!
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Dale M.
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Raul, use a fifty foot long bar, socket exactly in the middle, use your chihuahua and borrow a second five-pound chihuahua from a neighbor! Just make sure that the second chihuahua weighs exactly five pounds!
If the borrowed dog is of a different weight, see if the neighbor that you borrowed the dog from can also lend you a slide-rule and a Ti-45 calculator so you can figure how much of a counter weight to put on the other end of the fifty-foot bar . . . you might need to borrow a parakeet or a gerbil to get the torque just right!
Keep at it . . . you might need to give it a few tries to get the process down, but I have seen what you are capable of . . . YOU CAN DO IT! |
At this point you have "0" (zero) foot pounds torque applied because chihuahua "B" would counter the weight of chihuahua "A" which is applied force... Effectively "B" neutralizes "A"...
You have just increased weight of bar by "BAR+(A+B)"
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esde
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| You'll get a more accurate torque using a schnauzer or shepherd puppy. |
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Adapted from an old post I made about engine gland nuts:
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Here's what I do:
Get my breaker bar and big socket.
Let's say you need 250 ft. lbs. of force for the rear axle nut - that is 250 lbs. at 1 foot out from the socket.
1 foot = 12 inches.
Say you weigh 200.
So take 250/200 = 1.25
12 inches x 1.25 = 15 inches.
Mark a line on the bar at 15 inches.
When the bar stops moving downward from your weight, you just applied 250 lbs. |
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That's the way the John Muir book said to do it. I also slipped a 'cheater pipe' over the breaker bar. I wrapped masking tape around the cheater pipe at the point where I needed to put my foot. In the 35 years since I first did it I have had to periodically move the tape closer to the pivot point. |
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57BLITZ
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| Dale M. wrote: |
At this point you have "0" (zero) foot pounds torque applied because chihuahua "B" would counter the weight of chihuahua "A" which is applied force... Effectively "B" neutralizes "A"...
You have just increased weight of bar by "BAR+(A+B)"
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Dale, I meant that BOTH chihuahuas are to go on one side . . . the side that the parakeet or gerbil would need to be on depends on the actual weight of the loaner chihuahua . . .
For example . . .
Raul's chihuahua (5lbs) + loaner chihuahua (4.875lbs) = 9.875lbs . . . parakeet on same end of bar with BOTH dogs.
A different scenario . . .
Raul's chihuahua (5lbs) + loaner chihuahua (5.25lbs) = 10.25lbs . . .Both dogs on the same end of the bar and one gerbil on the other side of the bar.
As for it being any easier using a schnauzer or shepherd puppy, I wholeheartedly disagree! Mixing dog breeds will create other variables that will complicate the necessary calculations . . . you would need a pair of synchronized digital abacuses PLUS a slide-rule to figure that out!
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Look, you only need a 20ft bar weighing 25lbs and gravity will torque it to 250ft/lbs for you. Get the chihuaha to firmly push the brake pedal.
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Time to update this classic drawing:
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Time to update this classic drawing:
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'Nother example of loosening axle nut.... So its non-relevant to initial subject...
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| I used a honey badger so it would be real tight. |
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| I used a honey badger so it would be real tight. |
dude, thats what i use also  where do you get your badger calibrated?
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1. I couldn't read through all these, so my 2 cents is: an extension between the socket and the torque wrench, socket wrench, or breaker bar will have minimal effect, just need to keep all aligned. A length extension on the handle of the torque wrench, socket wrench, or breaker bar absolutely does matter, learn that Torque = Force x distance.
2. O'Reilly has free loaner 0-250 foot-pound torque wrench, so no excuses.
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1. I couldn't read through all these, so my 2 cents is: an extension between the socket and the torque wrench, socket wrench, or breaker bar will have minimal effect, just need to keep all aligned. A length extension on the handle of the torque wrench, socket wrench, or breaker bar absolutely does matter, learn that Torque = Force x distance.
2. O'Reilly has free loaner 0-250 foot-pound torque wrench, so no excuses. |
Wondered how long thread would go before somebody put in the SOCKET EXTENSION comment....
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