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Alexmobil Samba Member
Joined: November 28, 2010 Posts: 71 Location: El Salvador
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:23 pm Post subject: Alternative sealer for the mating surfaces of the engine ?? |
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Hello everybody!
This week the plan is finish the rebuild of the engine for the DC ( 1600 SP, AS41) and the engine sealant is the only missing part in the process.
I´ve searched Permatex 3, Gasgacinch, curil T or curil K in every automotive shop here in el Salvador with no success.
The options available are:
1.-Indian Head Gasket Shellac
2.-Permatex 2
3.-Loctite 510
4.-Gray silicone
Any advice? (Specially for the mating surfaces of the engine halves)
Thank you in advance and this is the thread of my split:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6768092&highlight=#6768092 |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51057 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Avoid the shellacs like #1 and #2, they were great until the man started putting ethanol in gasoline, ethanol dissolves shellac. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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guatebus Samba Member
Joined: May 12, 2003 Posts: 388 Location: Oakland, CA
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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I have a little bit of Central American VW experience.
When I was living in Guatemala, I did an engine build and I used Hondabond to seal the case halves.
I can't quite remember, but I think I got it at a Honda motorcycle dealership? Something like Yamabond will also work and may be available there. _________________ '64 standard microbus
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76760 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51057 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Careful, Permatex aviation is often alcohol based (used to be anyways), the Hondabond/Yamabond (grey silicone) is a better choice if selection is limited, just make sure you put it on thin and work fast. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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busworks Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2004 Posts: 201 Location: Moncks Corner,S.C.
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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loctite 574 |
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flemcadiddlehopper Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2011 Posts: 2332 Location: Kelowna, BC. Canada.
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Glenn wrote: |
Permatex Aviation |
This is the best, but it needs to be a very old container of it that has been left open for years to form an extra thick tar-like paste. One that the brush can barely be separated from.
Don't even pretend that you don't know what I mean.
Gordo. _________________ Everybody Dies....Some Never Live.
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14218 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:13 am Post subject: |
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flemcadiddlehopper wrote: |
Don't even pretend that you don't know what I mean. |
Haha just tossed one yesterday! Pulled the brush and the whole bottom 1/2 came out in a yo-yo then when you let the brush go it all went back inside the can. |
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Dougy Dee Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2004 Posts: 1668 Location: Niagara Region, CANADA
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Permatex Motoseal is very similar to Yamabond/Hondabond and others. Dont use silicone.
Permatex 3H can be resurrected by mixing rubbing alcohol back in with the thick goop... |
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21-window Samba Member
Joined: March 23, 2004 Posts: 248 Location: out planting
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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busworks wrote: |
loctite 574 |
This^^^^ If you can get it.. |
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busworks Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2004 Posts: 201 Location: Moncks Corner,S.C.
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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I ordered mine through fastenal. Was expensive too |
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wrenchnride247 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Elring K2 with top left open for a while. _________________ SPL
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obieoberstar Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 1126 Location: Tucson
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Is there a VW-Porsche-Audi dealer in your area? I can get Loctite 574 from our Porsche parts depot. VW/Audi have a couple of similar sealants. One is green to seal the camshaft bridge on 2.0T engines and another is white and says on the tube that it is used to seal Type 2 engines. Both work really well.
I can get you part numbers if needed. |
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j.pickens Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2002 Posts: 9787 Location: Exit 7, New Jersey
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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I'd look for Hondabond. There's tons of Hondas all over everywhere, should be as easy to find as any alternatives. Works perfect, too. _________________ Founder and Chairman Emeritus, ECMSAS
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brese73 Samba Member
Joined: March 06, 2009 Posts: 360 Location: Delaware
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: Alternative sealer for the mating surfaces of the engine ?? |
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I just read this thread and see its a couple years old since last post. So should I get Loctite 574? I see it on Amazon |
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Bulli Klinik Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2005 Posts: 2065 Location: Bulli Klinik, Colorado Springs
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:02 am Post subject: Re: Alternative sealer for the mating surfaces of the engine ?? |
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I'm not familiar with the locktite product, but you most certainly don't want to use any sort of silicone product. Permatex brush on is the preferred sealer. You need something that has 'zero crush', meaning that the case surfaces won't be held apart like silicone would. _________________ I've never met a Bus I didn't like.
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ToolBox Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2004 Posts: 3439 Location: Detroit, where they don't jack parts off my ride in the parking lot of the 7-11
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:32 am Post subject: Re: Alternative sealer for the mating surfaces of the engine ?? |
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brese73 wrote: |
I just read this thread and see its a couple years old since last post. So should I get Loctite 574? I see it on Amazon |
http://na.henkel-adhesives.com/product-search-1554.htm?nodeid=8797713760257
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LOCTITE 574
Gasketing Product - general purpose. Ideal for use on machined and rigid metal flanges
LOCTITEŽ 574 seals close-fitting joints between rigid metal faces and flanges. The product cures when confined in the absence of air between close-fitting metal surfaces. It provides resistance to low pressures immediately after assembly. Typically used as a form-in-place gasket on rigid flanged connections. The nature of LOCTITE 574 reduces the migration of liquid product after application to the substrate. It has a high oil tolerance and excellent water and glycol resistance.
Your benefits
Ideal for use on rigid metal parts, e.g. cast iron components and pump housings
High oil resistance
Excellent water and glycol resistance |
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Bruce Amacker Samba Member
Joined: December 26, 2007 Posts: 1786 Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Alternative sealer for the mating surfaces of the engine ?? |
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There are many sealers that will work. Perhaps the most important advice is to make sure the surfaces are spotlessly clean with no oil film- wipe them down with brake clean before applying the sealer. Use no RTV (silicone), I use Permatex High Tack. RTV leaves beads (worms?) that hang out and eventually break off, getting into the oil system and clogging vital passageways. I know a guy who has built lots of motors with Indian Head. Permatex #2 is really thick and will hold the halves apart, I wouldn't use it.
Good Luck! _________________ '66 Deluxe Bus
'65 Standard Bus
Build threads:
'66- http://www.leakoil.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2888&sid=54d8dedfb3822f99c7f2ea430cb4e856
'65- http://leakoil.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=4263 |
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