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eric m Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm Post subject: Upper drink tray identification |
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55-62 style, note 90-degree corners:
(This exact tray is 59-61 from the upholstery pattern)
63-64 style (rounded corners on top tray)
Closeups
1965-67 style
(From a 1965)
Rubber insert detail
Detail photos of drink trays in Buses:
Early Deluxe
1957 Green/Green Standard
1961 Caramel interior for Mango Bus
Close up
1967 Deluxe:
Installation order of parts, thanks to Clara:
- rubber mat at bottom
- metal trim piece that goes all the way across. (It goes on top of the top edge of the rubber mat.)
- Middle 'bulgey' panel, with the fabric flaps out
- Side pieces, which hold the fabric flaps against the bulkhead. This keeps the edges of the bulge from popping out across the side panels
- Top
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I need some
Help identifying this drink tray frame .its going in a 63 15 window. The bulkhead was cut out and replaced, so I'm not sure if any of the panels And the partition are original.so my question is could someone tell me if this frame takes the 63-64 trim or the later rubber stuff? |
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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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There are three kind of microbus bulkhead panels 55-67
55-62
63-64
65-67
that is 65-67. or 221 867 721B
I'd have to dig up some pics to show what I mean, but to be correct you want the 63-64 version, or 221 867 721A.
parts list, see #31
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eric m Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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ok, thanks! Im going to have to roll with what i have for now .So i will need the rubber stuff. Is anyone reproducing it or will i have to salvage some? |
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campingbox Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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The upper chrome trim for a '63 is available new, I think you might be able to make it work with what you have. |
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BarryL Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:17 am Post subject: |
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The one in the picture looks like a '65. |
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EverettB Administrator
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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:06 am Post subject: |
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FWIW,
when installing the order is:
- rubber mat at bottom
- metal trim piece that goes all the way across. (It goes on top of the top edge of the rubber mat.)
- Middle 'bulgey' panel, with the fabric flaps out
- Side pieces, which hold the fabric flaps against the bulkhead. This keeps the edges of the bulge from popping out across the side panels
- Top
Tar strips that go under the bulkhead paneling in 62 microbus:
There are some rubbery wedges used in the later version
Last edited by Clara on Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:11 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Upper drink tray identification |
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Note that on the caramel interior the fabric on the top half of the bulkhead bulge, and the tray top, does NOT have the heat seams.
The fabric on the top half of the side panels does have the heat seams.
1961 Caramel interior for Mango Bus
Close up
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eric m Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:17 am Post subject: |
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Does anyone have a pic of the frame for the 63-64 ? I'm guessing it has a raised lip that the aluminum trim goes over but is the same curve as the 65-67 frame. The one I have has a single groove in the center.
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EverettB Administrator
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nlorntson Crazy VW Lady
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Here are more drink tray pics from a 1957 deluxe
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eric m Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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So is there a reproduction source for the rubber that goes around the later drink trays? |
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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:06 am Post subject: |
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eric m wrote: |
So is there a reproduction source for the rubber that goes around the later drink trays? |
I don't think so.
the rubber is color coordinated with the interior.
grey
platinum silver
steel
sienna beige
interesting note, my desk copy of the parts list shows 4 colors, while the online version only shows three.
see #32:
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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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The center bulkhead panel is p/n 221 867 705 for 55-62
the parts list page below shows 221 867 705 B for from 971 550
It omits 221 867 705 A
The A, or 63/64 version is, in fact, a different shape from the 65-67 version. This is one of the cases where the parts list has a supersession.
I am not sure if the parts would interchange tidily.
Pictures may come in a few days.
bottom line: you have to know how to read the parts list.
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Bullireisen Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Clara wrote: |
The center bulkhead panel is p/n 221 867 705 for 55-62
the parts list page below shows 221 867 705 B for from 971 550
It omits 221 867 705 A
The A, or 63/64 version is, in fact, a different shape from the 65-67 version. This is one of the cases where the parts list has a supersession.
I am not sure if the parts would interchange tidily.
Pictures may come in a few days.
bottom line: you have to know how to read the parts list.
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Hi Clara,
very interesting thread. Since 1 year I try to rebuild the door panels. Until now I can do the shape of the panels til March 62. in the colour combination lightgreen, lightbrown, lightbeige / karamelbrown, blugray / darkgrey with the heat seams. The most difficult part is the drinktray. So I have rebuild the outline of the center panels til 3/62. I have the upper trim also for the 63-64 modell year new from ... (factory with the name of the VW-german main producing city -west) so they also sell the upper trim for the 65-67 models. But I think they are like the 63-64 models stainless steal without the beading-frame. So I have some questions: from where do you know that there is a partnumber 221 867 705 A an it omits? Do you know someone that has the original 221 867721 for 63-64 and 65-67. In the partlist there is 221 867721 until 7/62 and then nothing and then from Chassis-Nr 225000001, but I donīt find a translation to the modelyear and month. Must be after 7/64? I canīt understand [url] http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/chassisdating.php after 7/64 and the chassisnumbers of the partlist. So perhaps you can help. Whats about the pictures about the 221 867 705 and 221 867 705 A
Sorry for my english,
best regards
Alex
http://www.sifatek.info/index.php?cat=c77_Tuerverk...samba.html |
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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I have originals of the center bulkhead panels
221 867 705 for 20-117 902 though 971 549 (3/55 through 7/62)
221 867 705 A for 971 550 through 1 328 871 (8/62 through 7/64) - this is omitted from the online edition of the parts list, but is in fact a different part
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221 867 705 B, for from 225 000 001 (from 8/64 through end 67 model year production)
They are all different.
The frames 221 867 721 plain, A, and B are also all different
Everett posted pics of the frames and the center panels above
I will try to get some pics up with side by side comparison. |
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Bullireisen Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2015 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Upper drink tray identification |
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Hi Clara,
thanks. Could you please send me your desk top version of the part list? All I have, desktop or online have the omits.
So are you sure that there is a difference in 221 867 705 A and 221 867 705 B. Couldnīt they be the same, only the frames 221 867 721 A and 221 867 721 B are different? I thinkt that they didnīt change the sparewheel mould again.
221 867 705 I did copy and it fits.
Difference between 221 867 705 A and 221 867 705 B was interesting. Could you please measure and compare the unrolling of the upper lengh of the panel or frame of the A and B panels?
Tomorow I will email with WW to ask for the beading frame 221 867 731 and if they make a difference between 221 867 721 A and 221 867 721 B.
I have an other question and it seems that you are extremly fit with the original interior. You wrote:
Clara wrote: |
Note that on the caramel interior the fabric on the top half of the bulkhead bulge, and the tray top, does NOT have the heat seams.
The fabric on the top half of the side panels does have the heat seams.
1961 Caramel interior for Mango Bus
Close up
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About the caramel and blugrey/darkgrey interior I know the surface and the different styles on the top half of the bulkhead bulge, and the tray top and the bottom-part of the front doors does/do NOT have the heat seams.
But how is that with the interior soft green (lime green in germany) and lightbrown (hellbraun). They had 8 or ...? embossed heat seams in the lighter lime green middle part of the panels.
On this picture, if I blow it up and higher the contrast I can see that the heat seams are also on the middlepart of the drinktray panel, following the angle arround and than are in the ending heigt also follow on the left and right sidepanels of the partition wall panels.
I have found one picture of you in the gallery that shows the colour in the middle. It seems to be more whitegreen than lime green.
in this picture you can see both
What was the middle part more whitegreen or more limegreen?
Could you please tell me how many heat seam lines are in the middle part of the panels and how that works with the lines on the center bulkhead and side bulkhead panels.
Thanks in advance. I think in germay there is nothing left of this knowledge about the split bus from the early years. I want to make the panels as original as possible, like for the earybay i already can do.
About 9000 posts, how on earth is that possible?
Best regards to you and all the iriginal split interior enthusiasts
Alex _________________ Bullireisen travels with baywindow T2a from 7/71 |
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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:24 am Post subject: Re: Upper drink tray identification |
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From physically comparing the center bulkhead panels from a 63 to a 65, I could tell they are, in fact, different.
To get the details of the frames, I would buy nice originals.
For the details of the interiors, some bits I remember, and some bits I search the gallery for detail pics.
The kick panels for around the headlight buckets are not heat seamed on any of the interiors.
The 'white' part of the soft green interior gets greener with age. If you compare the bit of material folded around the back of the panel, that gives a more accurate idea of what the original was like.
This is more original
The limegreen color is more aged:
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Could you please tell me how many heat seam lines are in the middle part of the panels and how that works with the lines on the center bulkhead and side bulkhead panels. |
For the deluxe interior? I have not counted seams... I would have to search for some pictures and count. Maybe Thom has some original deluxe interior around to count seams.
The pic you have on your site of the caramel material looks nice. |
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Bullireisen Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Hi Clara,
thank you very much for your work. Perhaps I can give it back, perhaps in hardware, when the delivery wasnīt so expensive.
I found also this: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1308349.jpg You are right with it becomes darker and more colored, if it gets older. But I think it was not that white like on your picture. Itīs bad not to have an original, but Iīm surching for more than 1 year in germany... nothing.
So I had a better look on the WW-Side. The moldigset 65-67 is a litle cheaper than the other and doese not include the upper center bulkhead molding.
Kick panels are not heat seamed for all models and years, thatīs right but there are 4 different models.
I counted the heat seams in the middle of the panels on one picture that was good enough here on thesamba.com. That are 8, but are they running through from the center bulkheadpanel to the side bulkheadpanels? That would mean, they must be in different hight between the center panel and the side panels because of the center bulkhead panel forming an angle to the bulkhead. And then the lines must runn trough from the left bulkhead sidepanel to the left long sidepanel. But this I guess, I can hardly identify that on the bad resolution pictures, so I donīt know. I you could, please help here.
With the later interior caramelbrown I gess they put the flat material on the upper part of the center bulkheadpanel not to have the problems with throughrunning lines any more, thatīs what you already told.
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The pic you have on your site of the caramel material looks nice. |
I give my very best.
thanks in advance
Alex _________________ Bullireisen travels with baywindow T2a from 7/71 |
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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: Upper drink tray identification |
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Bullireisen wrote: |
But how is that with the interior soft green
What was the middle part more whitegreen or more limegreen?
Alex |
This is some original fabric from the 'soft green' interior of a palm green / sand green bus.
The lighter green gets changed into a yellowish or lime green color by the sunlight. You can see a much lighter color where the fabric was wrapped around the back of the panel.
It is more of a off-white than a lime green.
I believe that to be what the interior looked like when new.
The darkening of the fabric would vary depending on how often over the last 50+ years the bus was garaged, and whether it was in a sunny area like Arizona, or a more cloudy area, like Western Oregon. |
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