Pauter rockers

damicotile · Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:58 pm Post subject: Pauter rockers

I am looking into getting some new rockers as the Scat one are all wiped out.
I want to go with Pauters because they look nicely machined and there seems to be no need to shim the side play, is that right?

Will I need to get alum cover for clearance?
My main thing is there are no need to shim. Side play is what I mean.
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Glenn · Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:11 pm Post subject:

I had 1.3 Pauter rockers and they fit under stock valve covers with no issues.
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vwracerdave · Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:01 pm Post subject:

I would not use Pauter roller tip rockers on street engines. At lower RPM's they do not get enough oiling and the roller tips cam fail. Read thru the forums and there have been several problems. I think Glen had issues with them on his old 1904cc. I would buy Scat or CB. If you are looking for top quality the get the Gene Berg 1.45 rockers.

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croSSeduP · Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:40 pm Post subject:

Gene Berg FINALLY has 1.45:1 rockers that will not "wipe out" at a reasonable price. I'd go with those.
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slalombuggy · Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:10 pm Post subject:

I had to shim my 1.4 Pauters. Too many variations on stud spacing to not have to do it on any rockers you get.

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Glenn · Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:18 am Post subject:

raul arrese · Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:38 am Post subject:

Im running pauter 1.5's right now and I did have to shim them up , 2 loose for me but I think you really have to check all rockers any way , no problems yet but I don't have enough time on mine .
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mark tucker · Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:34 am Post subject:

they make them with bushings now.I dont see much issue with street usage, but the case needs to be preped for fulltime oiling. my jesels will be on the street and have plenty of oil going to them,I wish they had the internal oil gally but the set Im using on this motor dosent.I think my 2332 will have the internal oiled ones. or possiably the stainless ones that are also splash oiled

Bajaman65 · Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:24 pm Post subject:

Do NOT listen to the Naysayers, most are only going by opinion and not real experience. I have been using Pauter products for over 40 years and have had the Roller Rockers in many engines with no problems, they work great. I have had a set in my 2387 with their O3E8 'Fast Ramp Cam' for over 7 years and everything still looks new. Wink

damicotile · Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:27 am Post subject:

I'm still up in the air as to what rocker I will use.
The Scat one are crap as the side of the rocker aren't machined. They have the casting texture which wears out the shims in short order if not smoothed out before setting up.
The CB ones seem to be better machined on the sides of the rockers, at least from the pictures.
With the Pauters I will probably need to re do the geometry.
I just want a set that doesn't chew up the shims.
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Nater · Samba Member Joined: June 19, 2006 Posts: 493

I have been running Pauter 1:4's now for 3 years on top of a DRD xr320. Couldn't be happier, zero issues and zero adjustments.
A bit pricey but, worth it IMO.

Now the FK46 with the old style Auto Craft's was a different story.

raul arrese · Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:57 am Post subject:

I have the latest pauters that run aluminum rocker right on the steel shaft , no bushing or bearings .. so far so good . I do run constant oil to the top . are you guys that have been running them for years have the old style ?? I don't think they new ones have been around that long ?
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mark tucker · Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:17 am Post subject:

my old crane rockers in my 340 with 640 lift roller are over 25 years old and still look great, no bush,just aluminum on steel shaft, but you need good oiling.. needles die fast if there is ANY interfearance issues like coil bind!!if you make sure your shit is set up right they last.that all last.as far as eating shims....I cant say squat becasue I cant see it all.but most of the tine it is shit for shims.like bugpack sending valve spring no spin/slip shims for rocker thrust shims or using a soft shim. thrust shims need to be hardened!!! and it's better if you have atleast 2 shims on thrust side.3 is better.but try to not have very thin shims agnist the rockerblock or rocker.you should have atleast a .020(.030 would be better) agnist the block. if you can add a thin shim between the two thicker shims on the thrust side do it. thin shims can deform agnist the rocker block and some rockers too.

raul arrese · Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:04 am Post subject:

raul arrese · Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:05 am Post subject:

Bajaman65 · Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:23 pm Post subject:

DanielPip · Samba Member Joined: November 30, 2008 Posts: 29

I have Pauter 1.5s(blue ones from 2002) on a 2165 street driven type1, 35,000 miles in 10 years. Shimmed them once in 2008 as they were getting a little noisy from side play. Cold-called them and they shipped me shims for FREE. I wasn't even the original buyer, they came installed in my engine. Now that's customer service!

They still look new and since the motor is out right now for trans bearings I'll reset the side clearance. No discernible wear on roller or valve tip.

damicotile · Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:15 pm Post subject:

mark tucker · Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:57 pm Post subject:

I wish they were a little more forward thinking and angled those 2 holes so they would hold&funnel oil to the shafts. and or add a spring squirter to the tip aera.


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