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Mscdman Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2014 Posts: 562 Location: Denver, CO
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:26 pm Post subject: Convertible Haartz Canvas Boot - Snaps on Body? |
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Do the snaps to hold these haartz boots attach to the body of the car or are they screwed into the rear bow?
Also if I am having my vehicle repainted now, is it better to have the snaps added AFTER the paint is completed and risk chipping/cracking the paint? |
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sputnick60 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 22, 2007 Posts: 3907 Location: In Molinya Orbit
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NOVA Airhead Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2005 Posts: 5221 Location: Richmond, VA
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Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:58 am Post subject: Re: Convertible Haartz Canvas Boot - Snaps on Body? |
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Mscdman wrote: |
Do the snaps to hold these haartz boots attach to the body of the car or are they screwed into the rear bow?
Also if I am having my vehicle repainted now, is it better to have the snaps added AFTER the paint is completed and risk chipping/cracking the paint? |
On my car I approached this just as I would the trim pieces, all of which I removed before painting.
I would install the snaps first and make sure the boot fits properly. Then remove the snaps, paint and reinstall. _________________ Ghia Owner Emeritus |
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Mscdman Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2014 Posts: 562 Location: Denver, CO
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Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:03 am Post subject: |
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I like your idea nova. Problem is the instructions above seem really complex fr something that in my mind, should be very simple.
Would installation best be done by a body shop or a convertible guy?
I don't want to risk damaging the body paint |
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Mscdman Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2014 Posts: 562 Location: Denver, CO
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Need to re-invigorate this topic. I did a search and there are several threads on installing convertible boot snaps on an early year Ghia. The problem is, I see it shown two different ways. Some snaps are actually screwed into the body metal of the car - this seems wrong. Others are installed through the convertible top and through the rear convertible chrome molding.
1) Which way is correct?
2) What if you don't have/don't want to use the factory rear convertible trim? Do the snaps just screw into the top through the convertible canvas? |
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Rome Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2004 Posts: 9602 Location: Pearl River, NY
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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I can provide observations to support either method.
This cherry red '65 is still owned by the original owner. Although he had a thorough and accurate restoration done over 10 years ago as well as a new top installed, I have no reason to believe that the boot snap holes were relocated. You can see that the snap holes are on the bottom trim strip, thereby being fastened through the top material into the wooden rear bow.
By contrast, the snaps on my '64 are on the body just behind the top. When I bought the car in '83 it still had its original top (black) though it was ripped, and the rear section had torn and pulled away from the wooden bow. But the boot cover seemed to be original (black canvas with white piping) and was reasonably solid, needing just a rinse-off and mild brushing to be presentable and usable. The boot matched up exactly with the body snaps. So I have no reason to think that the snaps were not there when new. In the photo above, that's mine (3rd car back) with a slightly later boot on.
I reviewed the factory top installation in sputnik's link. That car is a '65 but the top is from a slightly later design, like a '67. You can see this in the rear photo on page 36. VW must've utilized a later top cover when originals were possibly already discontinued. This is exactly what happened on my car when a friend located a NOS top cover in the mid 1980's for me which is on the car in the lower photo. My top is the '67/early '69 design. You can see that the rear window shape is slightly wider than the original '64 rectangle (such as on the other Ghias in the upper photo) so that the interior headliner side flaps were still in the original locations, not pulled outwards, and thereby are visible in the new wider rear window opening. |
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Rome Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2004 Posts: 9602 Location: Pearl River, NY
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:57 am Post subject: |
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Here's one more shot from the gallery supporting the location for the rear trim strip; an unrestored '64 Ghia-
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Mscdman Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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What is that shiny thing on the actual convertible top right above the driver side window???
There appears to also be one where the convertible top meets the door top on the corner... |
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rcooled Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2008 Posts: 2493 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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Mscdman wrote: |
What is that shiny thing... |
Those are screws with finishing washers...items #14 & #15 in the illustration below.
Six of the eight snaps are fastened to the trim strip at the rear edge of the top. This is only for cars using a wooden tack strip instead of cable to secure the lower edge of the top material. The change to a cable was made in mid-'69, with the introduction of the glass rear window.
There's also a small plastic saddle that sits between the snap and the trim...seen here as item #10.
_________________ '63 Ragtop (current)
'65 Ghia coupe (totaled)
'67 Ghia convertible (current)
'69.5 Ghia convertible and
'62, '63, '65, '69 Bugs (all long gone) |
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Mscdman Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2014 Posts: 562 Location: Denver, CO
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you. However, is there supposed to be a finishing screw near the header bow on the top of the window? |
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smuenchrath Samba Member
Joined: February 20, 2005 Posts: 371 Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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I have a 68 convertible which did not have the rear body base bow and used cables to secure the lower edge of the top material. I assume the boot snaps are fastened the same as the 69.5+ glass rear window cars? _________________ 68 Ghia Regatta Blue Convertible
69 Ghia Toga White Coupe
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Bleyseng Samba Member
Joined: July 03, 2005 Posts: 4752 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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smuenchrath wrote: |
I have a 68 convertible which did not have the rear body base bow and used cables to secure the lower edge of the top material. I assume the boot snaps are fastened the same as the 69.5+ glass rear window cars? |
Yes, and the boot I got had the snaps in a bag. I just marked where the snaps on the car were and then installed them on the boot. Yes, it's a tight fit at first but the boot does stretch some later. _________________ 70 Ghia Black convert-9/69 build date-stock w/133k 1600 SP-barn find now with a rebuilt tranny and engine
77 Westy 2.0L w/Ljet, Camper Special engine-95hp and with LSD!(sold)
76 Porsche 914 2.1L L20c, 120hp Djet (sold)
87 Syncro Westy Titan Red 2.1L 2 knob 100k miles |
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Mscdman Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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Any thoughts on my question? I'm a little concerned about what looks to be a finishing screw in the convertible top near the header bow. Looks out of place. Supposed to be there? |
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rcooled Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Mscdman wrote: |
Thank you. However, is there supposed to be a finishing screw near the header bow on the top of the window? |
Yes, the same screw and finishing washer is also found above the door window on each side, about 7 1/2" back from the front corner of the top. It can be seen on the green convertible's top in Rome's post above. _________________ '63 Ragtop (current)
'65 Ghia coupe (totaled)
'67 Ghia convertible (current)
'69.5 Ghia convertible and
'62, '63, '65, '69 Bugs (all long gone) |
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