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leuzinger33
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I live in Denver and would like to buy a VW BUS 1970 or newer does anyone have any advice on how to keep windshield defrosted? Are there any after market fans that can be installed to keep winshield defrosted?
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You have to buy one without the heater boxes and fat hose to the front rusted off. Even then, they are not going to be toasty.
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richparker
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The stock system does great as long as you have all the proper parts. I live in Durango and have no problem only using the stock system. I have a buddy who uses one of the Harbor Freight defrost fans but he doesn't have a proper Vw system. You can also add a booster fan to the stock system.
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bsairhead
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| I own a 71 bus with good door seals and factory heater system. I have heat and defrost in the same amount of time as any of my water cooled cars. The difference is you got to drive the cold out of it. |
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PITApan
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: VW BUS Heat |
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| leuzinger33 wrote: |
I live in Denver and would like to buy a VW BUS 1970 or newer does anyone have any advice on how to keep windshield defrosted? Are there any after market fans that can be installed to keep winshield defrosted?
Thank's for any suggestions |
I could be a wiseass and tell you VW buses are still being made and the new ones have super heating systems, heated seats, etc.
Or I could tell you that you want '75 or older to get the coveted collectors plates (Don't think that changes by county).
Or I might mention that if you want real heat like a water cooled car then buy a water cooled car.
Defrosting and defogging are not the same thing. If you want something to melt the ice off the windshield in the morning I recommend a heated garage. My little Toy truck has been without heat all winter (I'm in the denver are) The blower is out. I have a bare trickle of heat rising from the dash. But no fogging problems. I got a little on the side windows on a cold morning last week. This tells me that if I get the leaks out the stock VW system on the type 4 motor will do fine for defogging. The interior might be cold, but there are other ways of dealing with that one.
There are a zillion threads on buses and heating. Settle back with a B and a beer and start reading.  |
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busdaddy
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| The difference is you got to drive the cold out of it. |
Agreed, if you aren't making horsepower you aren't making heat, retarding the timing a little in the winter helps but when the temp drops below 32 degrees and you are in a rush the best answer I've found is this here magic knob:
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Tom Powell
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Soon after I bought my '69 camper I wasn't satisfied with the heat in the cabin and I replaced the OG heat exchangers with Dansk exchangers. The result was less heat. If you have OG heat exchangers keep them and repair as necessary. They have more fins than the replacements and transfer more heat. I have a 12V window heater/fan/defroster from Harbor Freight. The mount for it fits into the OG speaker grill with screws and requires no new holes or hacks. It does it's job to keep the windshield free of condensation from the interior moisture from my breath. I have a Mr Buddy heater on the pax side floor and it does it's job also, but it produces moisture as well as heat. i have driven for many hours and the inside temperature did not get above 37 degrees in the cabin. The moustache has frozen to the pillow at night and the bottles of water are undrinkable because they are solid ice. The harbor freight windshield heater/fan will supplement the OG heating system.
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Easy fix, move to California and forget the cold 
Stock system on a '70 would be fine. If you have stock heater components and your thermostat flaps work on the motor.
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scrivyscriv
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...the best answer I've found is this here magic knob:
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PITApan
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You'll have a better chance at getting heat if you make sure the heating system is working properly.
This site looks like it was made in 2003, but it has a great write up.
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/freemefromthishell/vw/T2%20Heating.htm
Everything can be fixed. I've seen threads on here where people have insulated and really spruced up the heating system underneath.
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"I refuse to drive anywhere wearing four pairs of socks, thermal undies, three jumpers and a woolly hat".
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Decent write-up, if a bit limited.
But the man is a fool. (not to sugar mouth it) When you go out in cold weather you go out dressed for the cold. In a well heated car I take off my hat and gloves and open my coat. But I can be out of the vehicle and be dressed for the weather in a flash. The bus has the advantage, if your cargo bay is reasonably open, of having a place to get dressed in some warmies---army surplus over pants, an extra sweater, ski jumpers, etc. If you have to change a tire or fuss with an engine, or hoof it, you have time. If you are dealing with an accident, you do not.
The last accident I dealt with involved a minivan on it's roof at 6:30 am on a bitter morning in the snow. Traffic was just driving around it. I stop and am trying to get the van doors open---all in a matter of seconds. I get the driver out and she's wearing light slacks and a blouse. Fortunately no injuries. I put my coat on her, get her out of the road. This leaves me wearing a sweater and a couple vests, thermal undies, etc. I find her coat in the van and switch with her. By this time I'm getting chilled. if I didn't have my coat on, in my heated car, I would have had nothing to offer. I always carry a blanket and sometimes a sleeping bag. These are life savers at accident scenes, especially if there are injuries. I've dealt with a few but I've yet to have to deal with more than trivial injuries. And then there are the ones I get into myself. |
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| By this time I'm getting chilled. if I didn't have my coat on, in my heated car, I would have had nothing to offer. I always carry a blanket and sometimes a sleeping bag. These are life savers at accident scenes, especially if there are injuries. I've dealt with a few but I've yet to have to deal with more than trivial injuries. And then there are the ones I get into myself. |
Trying to drill this into my daughter who wants to wear flip-fops because shes going from a warm house to warm car to warm gym for practice. 'Uh...you're gonna be hating life if you we break down and you half to walk!' Thankfully she still has some judgement (not a teen) and will switch to proper shoes.
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Esher127
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Mu Bus has all new window/door seals, and a complete heat system with German heat exchangers. It all works good down to about 30 degrees. Below that, it's comfortable in there as long as I don't take my coat/gloves off.
I certainly can't say it's anywhere near as warm as a water heated car. It's enough to defrost the windshield and I don't freeze, but I've never reached up and turned the heat down on a really cold day.
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| By this time I'm getting chilled. if I didn't have my coat on, in my heated car, I would have had nothing to offer. I always carry a blanket and sometimes a sleeping bag. These are life savers at accident scenes, especially if there are injuries. I've dealt with a few but I've yet to have to deal with more than trivial injuries. And then there are the ones I get into myself. |
Trying to drill this into my daughter who wants to wear flip-fops because shes going from a warm house to warm car to warm gym for practice. 'Uh...you're gonna be hating life if you we break down and you half to walk!' Thankfully she still has some judgement (not a teen) and will switch to proper shoes. |
I visited a lady friend in Maine decades ago who drove a Beetle to work. She carried a sleeping bag in her car and dressed for the weather which meant she had to change clothes once she entered her work place and again before she left. Her work mates had their husbands drive them to work and were poorly dress for anything more than a dash from the car into the office. They thought my friend was nuts for driving the Beetle and being prepared for getting stuck outside, while she thought they were nuts for sticking their heads in the sand (er snow) and pretending they would never have a problem driving to returning from work.
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tootype2crazy
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+1000 on the gas heater. I installed one in my bus a couple of years ago after trying every other idea I could think of to get decent heat in a bus. It was 0F for the high just the other day here in St. Louis and my bus was warm and toasty inside. And it was blowing warm air in 4 minutes after starting up. Way better than water-cooled cars if you ask me.
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Bleyseng
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yep, a gas heater (BN6) setup factory will blast you out and defrost the windshield in short order. They came stock for Canadian buses along with the 70amp alternator so look for one of those buses.
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You'll have a better chance at getting heat if you make sure the heating system is working properly.
This site looks like it was made in 2003, but it has a great write up.
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/freemefromthishell/vw/T2%20Heating.htm
Everything can be fixed. I've seen threads on here where people have insulated and really spruced up the heating system underneath.
The search function is your friend! |
"I refuse to drive anywhere wearing four pairs of socks, thermal undies, three jumpers and a woolly hat".
Frank Wognum
Decent write-up, if a bit limited.
But the man is a fool. |
takes one to know one I guess.
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You'll have a better chance at getting heat if you make sure the heating system is working properly.
This site looks like it was made in 2003, but it has a great write up.
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/freemefromthishell/vw/T2%20Heating.htm
Everything can be fixed. I've seen threads on here where people have insulated and really spruced up the heating system underneath.
The search function is your friend! |
"I refuse to drive anywhere wearing four pairs of socks, thermal undies, three jumpers and a woolly hat".
Frank Wognum
Decent write-up, if a bit limited.
But the man is a fool. |
takes one to know one I guess. |
I'm about tired of the trolling myself. Wonder when this guy is gonna get banned already..
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1978 December, 1971 dual port with factory heat exchangers working perfectly, 35 MPH in an ice and snow storm from Arkansas to almost the California border. Full heat diverted to the defrost and a book over the passenger side vent. Everyone wearing coats, ski hats, gloves, and dinner plate size clear spot in front of the driver to look straight forward - everything else fogged / iced up. Don't get your hopes up that your bus will be cozy warm in bad weather without an alternative heater.
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