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veskovici Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2006 Posts: 359 Location: Belgrade
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Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:52 pm Post subject: Batwing resto |
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Ok, I did this before but back then my batwing was much better shape. this was submerged in the oil and dirt at least 30 years and that is face down. There was even horn button on it , but only i was able to salvage is metal button ring.
This started as joke as i didn't had any illusion that it might actually work ( i was thinking to hang it as wall art) but as I progressed i realized that this silicone is VERY good for purpose.
Pictures are crap, at least first ones, sorry.
Now, first I removed steering column and easy detached remaining parts of the puzzle
what remained was crappy rusted wire. I removed all chips rust and cleaned what was rest of it, then used "Wurth" rust converter on it.
This way i learned that batwing şoft material is definitely a rubber. So I used hard bonding silicone to attach puzzle parts back on wheel wire.
I can strongly recommend to all that need right material to fill hair cracks on the batwing to use this or similar kind of silicone because it is very strong bonding and filling material but rubberish (400% stretching ) so it definitely wont crack ever.
This is only to be used to fill cracks because it cannot be sanded . I have to think best solution to use to sculptor missing parts.
More pictures as i progress. _________________ Oval 1954
Barndoor1954
Doubledoorsunroof
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17285 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Don't you think it would be better if you sandblasted the core first? _________________
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veskovici Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2006 Posts: 359 Location: Belgrade
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:30 am Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote: |
Don't you think it would be better if you sandblasted the core first? |
Not necessary. It would be nice though.
I cleaned it with wire brush on grinder , so there was no rust on it ( there is a two pictures -one while removing soft parts and rust and another after cleaning and Wurth rust converter application).
And it started as a joke anyway _________________ Oval 1954
Barndoor1954
Doubledoorsunroof |
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beetlekey Samba Member
Joined: June 06, 2004 Posts: 633 Location: MINDEN
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:12 am Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote: |
Don't you think it would be better if you sandblasted the core first? |
for sure and the cracs will come thrue the paint. I think it is a dead born child. _________________ Hebmüller 581
1953 oval Typ 11G metalblue
1966 1300
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veskovici Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2006 Posts: 359 Location: Belgrade
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:56 am Post subject: |
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beetlekey wrote: |
Bruce wrote: |
Don't you think it would be better if you sandblasted the core first? |
for sure and the cracs will come thrue the paint. I think it is a dead born child. |
Not born yet. Anyway it is a very harsh diagnose -dead born!! I mean it will last at least as all other solutions so why do you think so? I disagree.
Why? because as I understand (using logic not seen in practice) bondo will crack as different materials will react different in temperature oscillations, but this is very strong bonding sealant and it can stretch up to 400%. so why it will crack? _________________ Oval 1954
Barndoor1954
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pastellgreen Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2012 Posts: 1048 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:03 am Post subject: |
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He does not mean it will crack. He means, you will see the places of fracture through the paint (provided that you plan to paint it). |
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coolparts Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2004 Posts: 194
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Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:01 am Post subject: |
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your pissing in the wind. send it to Koch to be recast |
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veskovici Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2006 Posts: 359 Location: Belgrade
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Steve22 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2004 Posts: 1389 Location: the wild unknown
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:36 am Post subject: |
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interesting project, let's see what happens... _________________ '65 Karmann Ghia 'vert
'73 Super Beetle
'59 Beetle ragtop
'73 Sunroof Transporter |
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eurodub Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:57 am Post subject: |
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if it cracks again it can be used as wall art.
the only thing i'm concerned about is grabbing it firm at critical times.. not to end up with pieces in hand. and of course, safety.
any saved old part is worth the work if done right. _________________ 1960 1200 model 117 deluxe ragtop
1974 T2 Westfalia Campmobile
1976 MK1 Golf |
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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Sweet...more than one way to approach everything... looks great! _________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
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3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
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1960 single cab
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:55 am Post subject: |
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If you are going to use it without completely restoring it it will probably be fine. The thing about rust converters is that they don't really work all that well under a finished surface. They slow the rust down but it will still grow and that is what will eventually pop the pieces off. I would have had it sand blasted first to make sure every bit of the rust was gone then painted it with a rust inhibiting primer. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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veskovici Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2006 Posts: 359 Location: Belgrade
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Time to move on.
Continued with 2component epoxy putty, brand is BISON and it is called epoxy repair . This batwing will come to life at the end, and who would thought that at the beginning? Me not.
Putty is clay like and it hardens in 5 minutes .
Very easy for sanding and it fills nice.
I also have horn button base, spring and (not so) chrome ring , also have push button somewhere. Thinking how to fix missing base ring. _________________ Oval 1954
Barndoor1954
Doubledoorsunroof
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rlmartinez Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Nice work so far can't wait to see this complete. _________________ 54 Bug
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veskovici Samba Member
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veskovici Samba Member
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Steve22 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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nicely done! a good coat of ivory on it and it is ready for the wall. _________________ '65 Karmann Ghia 'vert
'73 Super Beetle
'59 Beetle ragtop
'73 Sunroof Transporter |
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veskovici Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:33 am Post subject: |
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Steve22 wrote: |
nicely done! a good coat of ivory on it and it is ready for the wall. |
ha ha thank you .. _________________ Oval 1954
Barndoor1954
Doubledoorsunroof |
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eurodub Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:13 am Post subject: |
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i have the perfect split dash for it... _________________ 1960 1200 model 117 deluxe ragtop
1974 T2 Westfalia Campmobile
1976 MK1 Golf |
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