1960 Single Cab Small Nut axle leaking...AGAIN

ZENVWDRIVER

The right, passenger side axle was leaking and eventually the 80/90 got on my brake shoes and affected the brakes so severely, the truck would not stop at all...was like all the shoes were wet and in reality only the right rear was.

Bought a new seal kit last week and installed it, ensuring everything was put back properly. I did notice, the seal pressed into place quite easily...just with thumb pressure. Thought that was too easy, spring side of seal in...torqued the nut to 217 and cotter pin in.

Did not leak for 2 days and drove and stopped nicely, but today, I noticed it leaking from the weep hole again Sad

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Gotta' take it apart again and do something...just not sure what to do...I do have a spare small nut trans assembly and could replace, if I have to...do have options. Any good ideas?

Have owned this nineteen sixty for 20 years...thanks for any help.
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'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON

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Eric&Barb · Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:48 pm Post subject:

Might be the spacer that the seal goes around is now worn down too much.
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Campy · Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:28 pm Post subject:

You should not be able to press the seal into the cover using your thumbs. Was the oil slinger (large washer) in between the seal and the case?
It would only affect oil going up the stub axle but did you replace the O-ring that fits over the stub axle before you installed the thick spacer?
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ZENVWDRIVER · Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:38 pm Post subject:

ZENVWDRIVER · Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:46 pm Post subject:

Campy · Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:51 pm Post subject:

Use another bearing cover, which will allow the seal to be a tight fit. Over the many years when I installed seals, I had to lay the new seal on the case, put a piece of wood over it, then tap around the wood with a hammer to get the tight fitting seal in the case. To then get it in all of the way, I laid the old seal over the new one and tapped around it with a hammer.
Remember to install the oil slinger.
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Malokin Martin · Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:15 pm Post subject:

Eric&Barb · Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:40 pm Post subject:

Other possibility is the bore the seal seats into has a scratch or any corrosion in it. Had slight corrosion in FW seal bore and third time just polished it out with 400 wet/dry sand paper. No problem after that.
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ZENVWDRIVER · Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:14 pm Post subject:

...appreciate everyone's great advice. A friend went through his spares and found 5 small nut (36mm) caps and spacers and measured everything and is sending me the set closest to original size...the largest and best condition of the lot.

I'm also looking for the same good parts anywhere I can locate them to have extras, in case anyone else needs help, down the path...

...not solved yet, but looking good.
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5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON

All super-heroes, wear a MASK

pyrOman · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:21 am Post subject:

Way back when I used to have redux boxes { Anxious

}, at one time the O-ring on one side was getting "chewed up" almost weekly! Used to buy them by the bunch but the hassle of replacing them so damn often got very old. Turns out that the bearings were shot and the constant "wiggle" was doing the damage. Once all bearings were replaced, the seal issues just went away! Razz

Unless you've already done that, now that you are waiting for parts may be the best time to overhaul the boxes!?! Cool

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Eric&Barb · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:39 am Post subject:

If the spacers are worn, placing a straight edge across them will help to show up the slight groove worn over all the miles by the inner lip of the seal.

Good point that the RGB bearing must not be worn out. Have twice had that happen on trips over 1,000 miles. On trips, especially long ones, will walk around at each stop and inspect each rim for leaks or hotter than other to pick up any signs of mechanical failure before it happens.
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ZENVWDRIVER · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:12 am Post subject:

Eric&Barb · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:04 am Post subject:

ZENVWDRIVER · Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:08 pm Post subject:

A friend in Arkansas, has mailed me a like-new spacer and an end bearing cap in great shape...will go to Bughaus in Tulsa to get another seal kit and re do it all once the package arrives in the mail...have everything off waiting.

Was weird that the tranny gear oil was dripping from the weep hole, until I jacked the axle up a bit...and it stopped weeping.
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5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON

All super-heroes, wear a MASK

Eric&Barb · Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:23 pm Post subject:

Get three seal kits, need to have parts on hand for next time.
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BarryL · Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:06 am Post subject:

On small nut there is a flat washer/slinger. Only use the original ones even if they are scored. They are hardened. The soft washer supplied in the seal kit will squish and allow a lessening of the torque on the nut. It will lead to a leak eventually.

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ZENVWDRIVER · Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:16 am Post subject:

BarryL · Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:29 am Post subject:

volksworker · Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:47 pm Post subject: fill

You are only putting 1/2 pint of fluid in each box and not overfilling the trans right??????????? cause overfilling will cause this...... Make sure you install the spacer inside the seal before you offer the cover up to the axle. There is a lot of bad info in this thread.....beware and get a book


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