identify turn signal switch

60ragtop · Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:16 am Post subject: identify turn signal switch

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I need the experts to tell me what year this switch fits.
sleeve is ~ 6.5 inches,9 wire and it has the dual horn contact on the face.
getting conflicting answers,70,71 or both when I search.
Thanks
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Tram · Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:19 am Post subject:

What's the part number?
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KTPhil · Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:32 am Post subject:

Sure looks like my '71, but as Tram says, post the part number and I can check it against the original switch one I pulled out of my '71 recently.

60ragtop · Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:33 am Post subject:

handwritten on the box 311 953 513 D
none one the switch.
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Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986

Donnie strickland · Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:45 pm Post subject:

That's the right number for 71 switch, and it certainly looks like mine.
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KTPhil · Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:05 pm Post subject:

My replacement for my '71 (I am not using the parking light contacts and wires):

60ragtop · Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:08 pm Post subject:

thanks. What is the difference in 70 switch? I was told by a reliable source it would work in a 70.
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Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986

Donnie strickland · Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:22 pm Post subject:

You could easily sell that 71 switch to somebody on here. It's a one year only switch. 71 switches are not available new, and there were more 71 Type 3's made than any other year, so those switches are always in demand.

I'd sell that one and buy a 68-70 switch if that's what you need. Use the profits to take the wife out to dinner.
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Rex lucy · Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:54 pm Post subject:

WCM shows that number as being for a 72--74 t 3 . My aug 70 [71 mdl] turn switch only has 7 wires. I have service records and there is no mention of a change , so i think its factory. how many wires does your t3 have running to that plug. I have a turn switch thats in a 72 number housing that only has 5 wires. probably someone made it work.

60ragtop · Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:17 pm Post subject:

I'm just trying to figure out what it fits. Very confusing and conflicting info when searching. that is why I didn't include the # handwritten on the box at first. Thought maybe someone could identify what it fits by the pictures. I've talked to 2 different type 3 gurus and get different answers Laughing

So 70 71 and 72-74 is what comes up. pretty sure it is not 72-74 as they used the bug switch, correct?
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Rick
Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986

Donnie strickland · Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:36 pm Post subject:

You have a 1971 Type 3 switch.

Yes, the 72 and 73 use the same switch as a Bug, since they shared the "safety" steering wheel and stalk control for the wipers as well as the turn signals. The 71 switch has two spring contacts on its face, while the 72 switch only has one, like so (image from Bughaus):

The 71 switch part number is indeed 311 953 513 D. If WCM says otherwise, they are wrong. Here's pictures of the German SWF switch I put on my 71:

And here's my original 71 switch:

Note that not all the wires were used on Type 3's sold in the US, but were still included anyway, so it's normal to have "extra" wires.

Will it work in a 1970 car? I don't know, as I haven't tried that. If someone has pics of an original 70 switch they could post, we could be better able to tell.
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Bobnotch · Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:02 pm Post subject:

60ragtop · Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:40 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the pics of a 71 and the info on the 70 horn tab.
I searched but could not find any definite info on the differences and talking with a couple type 3 people did not help much either. I did not want to trust a handwritten part # for the application. And then when I did search the number, got conflicting fitment Confused

thanks all and anybody need a NOS switch?
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Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986

Bobnotch · Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:17 pm Post subject:

Slow 1200 · Samba Member Joined: July 02, 2004 Posts: 2106

any 71 owner will happily take out of your hands

me included Laughing

76sealingwaxred · Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:32 pm Post subject:

My super original 1971 really needs a switch. Someone at one point in the cars life broke out the vent window and tried to steal it. They destroyed the turn signal switch and ingition switch. I would love to purchase the switch.

Thanks
Jim

KTPhil · Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:56 am Post subject:

The one in the photo immediately above is not for a '71. Is that your car? Are you saying you need a correct '71 switch for that car?

I am looking into how to scavenge parts form a new (and much more available) Bug TS switch to replace what usually breaks in the Type 3 unit (the cancel tangs at the spring attachment). When I do I'll post up a procedure.

For your ignition switch (another one year only part), I have a thread about how to use a Bug switch and shorten the wires. Again, cheaper and much more available:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=616570

Bobnotch · Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:10 am Post subject:

76sealingwaxred · Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:47 pm Post subject:

yes i need the correct switch for my 1971 pic above. I made that switch work for now but it is not right and i can't get my horn working properly. I also made a non 1971 switch work for the ignition which i also would like to replace with the correct switch.

Let me know if you would like to sell your wiper switch.

Thanks
Jim


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