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barefootwestie Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2005 Posts: 1551 Location: Johns Island, SC
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:22 am Post subject: Type IV (4) Engine Tin installation |
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Does anyone know the sequence of order for the engine tins on a '73? Removed mine to paint and didnt take notes, ugh. I think the cylinder covers go back in first. _________________ My Bus Restoration Blog
https://myvolkswagenbus.com/
1973 Westfalia
"Getting better....one repair at a time."
Other VW's owned through the years, in no particular order:
'67 Beetle,
'67 Ghia Hardtop,
'72 Ghia Convertible,
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white74westy Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2011 Posts: 777
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Engine Tin installation order |
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barefootwestie wrote: |
Does anyone know the sequence of order for the engine tins on a '73? Removed mine to paint and didnt take notes, ugh. I think the cylinder covers go back in first. |
When all else fails, go to Ratwell:
http://www.ratwell.com/dotmac/Sites/Type4/PhotoAlbum81.html
Start here about 2/3rds of the way down the page and go from there. Hope this helps! Let us know how it turns out!!! |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50337
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:36 am Post subject: Re: Engine Tin installation order |
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barefootwestie wrote: |
Does anyone know the sequence of order for the engine tins on a '73? Removed mine to paint and didnt take notes, ugh. I think the cylinder covers go back in first. |
The left rear tin needs to go on before the fan shroud, IIRC and then the other fore and aft tins go on after the shroud but before the two large cylinder tins. The under cylinder tins need to go on prior to inserting the pushrods and tubes.
The rear support bar goes on before the heat exchangers. |
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barefootwestie Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2005 Posts: 1551 Location: Johns Island, SC
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:38 am Post subject: |
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Thanks. I searched throughh the index but must have overlooked it. _________________ My Bus Restoration Blog
https://myvolkswagenbus.com/
1973 Westfalia
"Getting better....one repair at a time."
Other VW's owned through the years, in no particular order:
'67 Beetle,
'67 Ghia Hardtop,
'72 Ghia Convertible,
'72 Westfalia |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:36 am Post subject: Type IV (4) engine tin installation |
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Please do not take the fan apart. You would need to realign and balance it.
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Complete series playlist Part 1-6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB4soH8Wolk&list=PL5l9C9G7d1xnQvVwQeFtSE7DZuJfF_sOJ
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1967250s Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:36 am Post subject: |
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That video series needs to be a Sticky! Especially the one about the lower tin over the thermostat. _________________ '72 Elm Green Deluxe |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:36 am Post subject: Re: awesome powdercoat type IV (4) engine tin installation |
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Tcash wrote: |
awesome powdercoat type iv engine tin install part 1 |
OMG don't take the fan apart. I did that and it took Mark (BusDaddy) close to a year to get it balanced again. They get terrible run out in them unless they go on a lathe and are adjusted a tiny bit at a time. REALLY _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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captincanuck Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2014 Posts: 730 Location: The Great White North
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: awesome powdercoat type IV (4) engine tin installation |
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SGKent wrote: |
Tcash wrote: |
awesome powdercoat type iv engine tin install part 1 |
OMG don't take the fan apart. I did that and it took Mark (BusDaddy) close to a year to get it balanced again. They get terrible run out in them unless they go on a lathe and are adjusted a tiny bit at a time. REALLY |
Really? Wow I was literally days away from taking mine apart to paint it. One of the last pieces left. Won't be doing that now. Thanks for the heads up _________________ 1979 Westfalia "FireFly" Subaru 2.2 with Subaru gears 5spd.
Build Thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=634777&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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1967250s wrote: |
That video series needs to be a Sticky! Especially the one about the lower tin over the thermostat. |
Youtube Videos
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51125 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: awesome powdercoat type IV (4) engine tin installation |
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SGKent wrote: |
OMG don't take the fan apart. |
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a-marshal Samba Member
Joined: March 21, 2009 Posts: 270 Location: Toronto
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:04 am Post subject: |
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Tcash wrote: |
1967250s wrote: |
That video series needs to be a Sticky! Especially the one about the lower tin over the thermostat. |
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Wow... that is an impressive list ... why didn't I see that before?
Not only should it be a sticky but it should be the first stidky.. |
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jtauxe Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2004 Posts: 5780 Location: Los Alamos, New Mexico
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:06 am Post subject: Re: awesome powdercoat type IV (4) engine tin installation |
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SGKent wrote: |
OMG don't take the fan apart. I did that and it took Mark (BusDaddy) close to a year to get it balanced again. They get terrible run out in them unless they go on a lathe and are adjusted a tiny bit at a time. REALLY |
What if you marked exactly the position of the fan relative to the pulley, and each nut and bolt? Would it preserve its balance?
And, I wonder how much influence on throwing off the balance from paint or powdercoat?
I suppose it is not worth the risk. It's not like this demands fresh paint. _________________ John
"Travelling in a fried-out Kombi, on a hippie trail, head full of zombie..." - Colin Hay and Ron Strykert
http://vw.tauxe.net
1969 Transporter, 1971 Westfalia, 1976, 1977, 1976, 1977, 1971, 1973, 1977 Westfalias,
1979 Champagne Sunroof, 1974 Westfalia Automatic, 1979 Transporter, 1972 Sportsmobile, 1973 Transporter Wild Westerner, 1974 Westfalia parts bus, 1975 Mexican single cab *FOR SALE*, 1978 Irish 4-door double cab RHD
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51125 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:36 am Post subject: Re: awesome powdercoat type IV (4) engine tin installation |
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jtauxe wrote: |
SGKent wrote: |
OMG don't take the fan apart. I did that and it took Mark (BusDaddy) close to a year to get it balanced again. They get terrible run out in them unless they go on a lathe and are adjusted a tiny bit at a time. REALLY |
What if you marked exactly the position of the fan relative to the pulley, and each nut and bolt? Would it preserve its balance?
And, I wonder how much influence on throwing off the balance from paint or powdercoat?
I suppose it is not worth the risk. It's not like this demands fresh paint. |
It's less about the balance and more about the pulley running true, it's very challenging to get the ring positioned, just aligning the outer ring with the edge of the fan doesn't do it. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21512 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:40 am Post subject: Re: awesome powdercoat type IV (4) engine tin installation |
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jtauxe wrote: |
SGKent wrote: |
OMG don't take the fan apart. I did that and it took Mark (BusDaddy) close to a year to get it balanced again. They get terrible run out in them unless they go on a lathe and are adjusted a tiny bit at a time. REALLY |
What if you marked exactly the position of the fan relative to the pulley, and each nut and bolt? Would it preserve its balance?
And, I wonder how much influence on throwing off the balance from paint or powdercoat?
I suppose it is not worth the risk. It's not like this demands fresh paint. |
NO.....On these fans....the balance as SGKent noted...is delicate. Not only do the main parts have to be put back together correctly....but each bolt and washer needs to go back in the same place it came from...and in the same exact position it was in.
There is a small amount of slack in the bolt holes and washers. It makes just enough of an alignment issue that even though the actual balance may not be off when you get it back together....it can run rough. They parts were assembled with schnoor type lock washers and balanced as a complete assembly.
If the fan is really crappy....you need to score around each washer, make some assembly scribe lines....and put the parts in a dedicated numbered holder so you can reassemble it. Its a lot of work.
A year or so ago...I bought a spare fan from someone in the classifieds....this person crammed it into a box that was not correctly sized and disassembled it to make it fit ....and didnt get it when I told him it was now useless without considerable work and some expense. Ray |
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Xevin Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:04 am Post subject: |
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That's some crazy mechanical info you all know. I will keep saying this. The information I learn from you guys on what not to do has saved me more then once. I wasn't planing on doing that. But I now know, not to do it. So big thanks to all those above, Aeromech, Colin, and more. _________________ Keep on Busin'
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GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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Damn that Xevin... |
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I respect Xevin and he's a turd |
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My God! Xevin and I 100% agree |
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BUSBOSS Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2009 Posts: 2161 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: Type IV (4) Engine Tin installation |
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Any tips on painting the pulley while the fan is attached? _________________ All the redemption I can offer, girl, is beneath this dirty hood
1976 Westfalia
1970 Karmann Ghia Convertible (sold - but not forgotten) |
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ivwshane Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 1920 Location: Sacramento ca
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: awesome powdercoat type IV (4) engine tin installation |
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First off, thanks for posting the awesome powder coat videos! They should help me immensely.
SGKent wrote: |
Tcash wrote: |
awesome powdercoat type iv engine tin install part 1 |
OMG don't take the fan apart. I did that and it took Mark (BusDaddy) close to a year to get it balanced again. They get terrible run out in them unless they go on a lathe and are adjusted a tiny bit at a time. REALLY |
Sgkent, when you say, "don't take the fan apart" are you saying not to remove it at all? Or are you saying not to remove the fan pulley from the fan? _________________ 77 westy 2.0 FI
69 ghia coup 1600dp
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21512 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: awesome powdercoat type IV (4) engine tin installation |
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ivwshane wrote: |
First off, thanks for posting the awesome powder coat videos! They should help me immensely.
SGKent wrote: |
Tcash wrote: |
awesome powdercoat type iv engine tin install part 1 |
OMG don't take the fan apart. I did that and it took Mark (BusDaddy) close to a year to get it balanced again. They get terrible run out in them unless they go on a lathe and are adjusted a tiny bit at a time. REALLY |
Sgkent, when you say, "don't take the fan apart" are you saying not to remove it at all? Or are you saying not to remove the fan pulley from the fan? |
Do NOT remove the black steel alternator belt pulley from the cast aluminum section with the fins.
That being said....after recently going through my stack of spare fans....I have found at least three that....you would swear looking at them that they have "probably" never been apart...so they "should" be straight and true..........but after measuring I found that its painfully obvious that whoever the previous owner was....either took them apart or diddled with them.
Also...if they are dropped hard enough it can move the pulley ring. If they get corroded enough between the pulley and fin section...they can get loose.
This thread below may help to understand a little about what is entailed to get one straight. This is just one way to do it. While a lathe can help make it simpler...its not necessary at all...and it just does not take that long.....but it IS tedious.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8681745#8681745
You can use some of the information in that thread...to at least measure yours to see what condition its in....while its mounted to the crank. Ray |
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ivwshane Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 1920 Location: Sacramento ca
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: Type IV (4) Engine Tin installation |
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Thanks but I'd rather be safe and not take my chances, my skill level is limited and even just removing all the tin ware is intimidating. _________________ 77 westy 2.0 FI
69 ghia coup 1600dp
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