| Author |
Message |
pushkick
Samba Member
Joined: August 09, 2007
Posts: 1366
|
 Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 4:15 pm Post subject: water pump parts for rebuild |
 |
|
does anyone know where i can get parts for rebuilding my water pump on a
2.1 L waterboxer ? would like to try to do it myself. any help is appreciated.
_________________
i see said the blind man to his deaf dog
i am going to quit smoking and drinking and die a healthy man. gotta laugh
there is no deed to the planet earth
1990 vw automatic camper |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Wildthings
Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005
Posts: 50348
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 4:20 pm Post subject: |
|
|
China likely and maybe Mexico if you are lucky  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Merian
Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2014
Posts: 5212
Location: Orygun
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 4:47 pm Post subject: |
|
|
djkeev rebuilds his own water pumps - if he doesn't have spare parts for you then see if he has his backyard smelter up & running yet - you may need to supply your own ore though
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
pushkick
Samba Member
Joined: August 09, 2007
Posts: 1366
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 5:27 pm Post subject: water pump parts for rebuild |
|
|
ok that is funny but all you need is seals and bearings. timken makes bearings along with many other companies. what is strange is that people will spend the time and effort to rebuild an engine which is much more complex.
i was hoping to find someone who already has done the leg work on finding the correct bearings and seals. of course if the impeller is bad that is another issue or the shaft.
_________________
i see said the blind man to his deaf dog
i am going to quit smoking and drinking and die a healthy man. gotta laugh
there is no deed to the planet earth
1990 vw automatic camper |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
djkeev
Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007
Posts: 32625
Location: Reading Pennsylvania
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 6:16 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Merian wrote: |
djkeev rebuilds his own water pumps - if he doesn't have spare parts for you then see if he has his backyard smelter up & running yet - you may need to supply your own ore though
|
Those who can DO ........ Those who can't..... Well.......
Although there was that time back in the early 1970's I was in Utah with a Datsun 510 and the hub came loose on the water pump...... Nearest pump was Portland....... There weren't many Datsun's inland from either coast back in those days! (There was a dealer in Salt Lake but no stock) ...... Shipping was Days away back then....... I did eventually find a tractor repair shop that welded the hub onto the shaft........
It worked until I got home to Ashland Or.........
Bearings would most certainly be available, shaft seals once you have a size could be located......
But honestly...... Even I stop short at rebuilding expendable items like a water pump considering the price and high risk of failure.
Dave
_________________
Stop Dead Photo Links how to post photos
Ghia
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=392473
Vanagon
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6315537#6315537
Beetle
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=482968&highlight=74+super+vert |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
djkeev
Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007
Posts: 32625
Location: Reading Pennsylvania
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Merian
Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2014
Posts: 5212
Location: Orygun
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 8:29 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I actually know a guy who forged his own pieces to build a wind tunnel - impressive feat but that is one reason his own scientific productivity was lower than it could have been.
The same might apply here... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Wildthings
Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005
Posts: 50348
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I would actually rebuild a water pump in a heart beat if I could buy a quality kit. Sadly it is not worth the effort to look for one though. 
Any more a lot of times if you can find a kit for something, the kit cost more than the rebuilt or maybe even the new aftermarket part. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
atomatom
Samba Member
Joined: May 15, 2012
Posts: 1867
Location: in an 84 Westy or Bowen Island, BC
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
no doubt. my new waterpump was $25. that seems wrong.
_________________
84 Vanagon Westy, 1.9L, California raised but defected to Canada. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
morymob
Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2007
Posts: 4683
Location: east-tn
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:24 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Still being on water pump rebuild, not that long i used kits, only 1 left, but 4 my brand 'x', 6 cys studie. They got pricy eventhen. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Terry Kay
Banned
Joined: June 22, 2003
Posts: 13331
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:25 am Post subject: |
|
|
Here is a prime example of diminishing values.
For what a water pump costs it isn't worth the time or effort in looking for the correct parts, let alone doing the time in performing this menial task--
Buy a new pump---
_________________
T.K. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
insyncro
Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002
Posts: 15086
Location: New York
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:58 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Terry Kay wrote: |
Here is a prime example of diminishing values.
For what a water pump costs it isn't worth the time or effort in looking for the correct parts, let alone doing the time in performing this menial task--
Buy a new pump--- |
I'd buy 2, you will need them |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Terry Kay
Banned
Joined: June 22, 2003
Posts: 13331
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:03 am Post subject: |
|
|
Amen--
Rebuild a Fuel pump ( mechanical ) starter, alternator, carb--sure.
Water pump?
Not today--or tomorrow--not even next year-- 
I'll put rebuilding a water pump right in there with rebuilding a Charcoal Cannister--
Nuts---
_________________
T.K. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
insyncro
Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002
Posts: 15086
Location: New York
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:18 am Post subject: |
|
|
As stated previously, screw up a water pump rebuild and your engine may melt down.
Not worth it, no matter how you slice it.
I say "screw up" as there are plenty of threads showing major screwups costing big dollars to fix...all due to saving a few bucks and DIY corner cutting. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
pushkick
Samba Member
Joined: August 09, 2007
Posts: 1366
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:13 am Post subject: water pump parts for rebuild |
|
|
well alot of opinions thanks for the info. the cost of a new pump is at minimum $60 + shipping and handling and tax. a refurbished is around $45
i am a curious sort and like to make sure i understand how things work and are put together or designed. my question is why should a centrifugal pump ever go bad? belt too tight, bad seals or bad seal design, poor workmanship assembling? seems like i have to change a pump every 25,000 miles or 4 years. must be designed to fail at a given use. in my case it was the seal that went bad then the bearing.
_________________
i see said the blind man to his deaf dog
i am going to quit smoking and drinking and die a healthy man. gotta laugh
there is no deed to the planet earth
1990 vw automatic camper |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Terry Kay
Banned
Joined: June 22, 2003
Posts: 13331
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
Why do you have to pay shipping costs when the pump is available at any local VW dealer, or any local place of parts?
Your putting your priorities in the wrong spot.
The seal dries up from non-use.
It's all your fault.
Drive the Van more.
_________________
T.K. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Merian
Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2014
Posts: 5212
Location: Orygun
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:23 am Post subject: |
|
|
| post your location - are you in Greece or something? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
pushkick
Samba Member
Joined: August 09, 2007
Posts: 1366
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:59 am Post subject: water pump parts for rebuild |
|
|
since i didnt elaborate on the specific purchase location i can see why you asked that question. so here is what i was inferring, if i bought from vc, bd or gw there would be shipping cost and only a one year warranty. autozone, oreilly's, napa, advanced auto would be tax and lifetime warranty(usually the part that are refurbished are done locally). local vw dealer is 25 miles one way which given the gas milage of my van would take around 3 -4 gallons of gas @ 2.60/gal. => $10.40 plus my time spent on driving there and back. the dealerships usually are more expensive than any after market or refurbished part. how much does a water pump cost at a vw dealership?
there are only four parts seal, bearing, shaft and impeller. i can either drive or pay shipping or ride my bike to local store and spend my time putting the thing together. or i could pay a mechanic to do it all. it is a choice to do what tickles your interest. it is learning experience in the procuring, to dismantling, to assembly, to how and where these after market places work and the quality of their work. where they cut corners.
as far as seals drying up they are in coolant 24/7 but there could be an issue with wrong coolant to water ratio and during the winter months
slight freezing could be destroying the seals. could have been an improperly installed seal or damaged during installation. will take some analysis to determine the exact cause if it can even be determined.
_________________
i see said the blind man to his deaf dog
i am going to quit smoking and drinking and die a healthy man. gotta laugh
there is no deed to the planet earth
1990 vw automatic camper |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
djkeev
Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007
Posts: 32625
Location: Reading Pennsylvania
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
pushkick
Samba Member
Joined: August 09, 2007
Posts: 1366
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:24 pm Post subject: water pump parts for rebuild |
|
|
djkeev thanks for the info seems like an expensive bearing, that is designed for a special application. those links provide a lot of info about design and functionality. what is the expected life of a water pump given normal use and
no issues.
_________________
i see said the blind man to his deaf dog
i am going to quit smoking and drinking and die a healthy man. gotta laugh
there is no deed to the planet earth
1990 vw automatic camper |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
