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trektider60
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What is the best manual to get for a 1960 T1? The Bentley manual starts with 1966; does it have the needed info for a 1960?
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VOLKSWAGNUT
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: 1960 manual |
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| trektider60 wrote: |
| The Bentley manual starts with 1966 |
Who the hell lied to you... 
Over 1200 pages of purist bathroom reader....
If you cant "fix" your VW with one of these.. .stay away from tools...
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bluebus86
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Lots of selection from the classified ads....
I did a search for "repair manuals" I like a wide variety of manuals and have many of them, each has a little different take, but the official one has most everything new at near $100 is a bit pricey however, but it the best single book to have. the older books would be better for your 1960 car than the later ones that may only superficially cover the older models.
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| There are very many to choose from and most can be bought for a low price. Most are not without errors or omissions, Bentley included. For that reason, I buy just about every version I can get a hold of and if I am doing a procedure I'm not familiar with, I will look through multiple manuals. The Bentley manual is very good. One negative is that I think it is designed for the professional mechanic that has every VW specialty tool ever made. Other manuals might tell you how to get by without the specialty tool. |
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| . One negative is that I think it is designed for the professional mechanic that has every VW specialty tool ever made. Other manuals might tell you how to get by without the specialty tool. |
Rather, it was designed for the DEALER mechanic, who would have had a service bay stocked with all the specialty tools.
And it is dated... stuff like using benzene to clean parts! But it's a good resource to have nonetheless.
The 58-60 book is a bit slimmer than the 61-65 version, it's "only" 1016 pages according to Robert Bentley.
(And if you're planning on dealing with later stuff like a tunnel style transaxle, or a 40HP engine, the 61-65 book could be a better choice. The body style was largely the same except for in the front trunk area... and the body/frame repair sections of the 61-65 book actually reused many of the 58-60 photos. However, a few years ago, Bentley reissued the 61-65 book in hardcover and added color wire diagrams, which boosted the price of that book up)
I'm with the others, get a few different books (my first VW book was the no-longer-available Haynes 1200 book, for my 62 Beetle) - even the John Muir Idiot book is good for general theory and some laughs (but it's also quite outdated as well)
I guess the big questions are how original is the car and how original do you want to keep it... and what other plans do you have for the car? The further away from original you go, the less value the Bentley Workshop Manual will have for you.
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bluebus86
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| grandpa pete wrote: |
QUOTE...$100 is a bit pricey...Quote
When is the last time you got any shop repairs done for less than $100 ??
Money well spent .... |
I aint saying it is not money well spent, just that $100 is a lot of money for something like a book. The phone company will toss phone books on my door step that are bigger, I doubt they cost $100 to produce.
Inflation is killing folks on fixed incomes.
I do own official Bentley books for most my fleet, but not for my 61 But I have probably 20 or more different VW Bug repair books that cover the 61, so I got much of it covered. I wished I had that book for my 61 but for me, I can get by. I'd pay $50 for it, but I would part with $100 for it is I did not have all my other books. It is a good, no GREAT repair manual to have no doubt.
For your last question about a $100 repair book, Never paid $100 or more for one, maybe $30 bucks tops, lots bought used, but some bought new.
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| glutamodo wrote: |
| h~moto wrote: |
| . One negative is that I think it is designed for the professional mechanic that has every VW specialty tool ever made. Other manuals might tell you how to get by without the specialty tool. |
Rather, it was designed for the DEALER mechanic, who would have had a service bay stocked with all the specialty tools.
And it is dated... stuff like using benzene to clean parts! But it's a good resource to have nonetheless.
The 58-60 book is a bit slimmer than the 61-65 version, it's "only" 1016 pages according to Robert Bentley.
(And if you're planning on dealing with later stuff like a tunnel style transaxle, or a 40HP engine, the 61-65 book could be a better choice. The body style was largely the same except for in the front trunk area... and the body/frame repair sections of the 61-65 book actually reused many of the 58-60 photos. However, a few years ago, Bentley reissued the 61-65 book in hardcover and added color wire diagrams, which boosted the price of that book up)
I'm with the others, get a few different books (my first VW book was the no-longer-available Haynes 1200 book, for my 62 Beetle) - even the John Muir Idiot book is good for general theory and some laughs (but it's also quite outdated as well)
I guess the big questions are how original is the car and how original do you want to keep it... and what other plans do you have for the car? The further away from original you go, the less value the Bentley Workshop Manual will have for you.
-Andy |
the photo of the specialty tools are great lot better than most manuals that might simply have an exploded view and tell you to remove the part. (How????)
You can understand from the photos of the specialty tools how a part is to be removed or fitted, and thus make your own tool or improvise with a universal puller or what not. It can come in very handy to see the dealer specialty tools even if you have no access to one.
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glutamodo
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I totally agree. I bought the 61-65 Bentley immediately when it was first published in 1990. (I bought my 62 bug in 1/89) All I had at that time was the Idiot Book and the 1200 Haynes and was totally chuffed to have a "real" manual for the car.
Many modern dealer manuals just assume you know how the specialty tools work and so don't even show or describe how to use them, they just say "use SST-XXYY##" rendering such manuals quite useless to those who don't have or know about the special tool in question. These old VW Workshop manuals are so much better in comparison. |
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trektider60
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Thanks guys for the information; all I found was the blue Bentley starting with the 1966 year. I'll be looking for a the correct Bentley. I have a 1974 Haynes manual (had a'74SB in 1988) and it will work for the engine since that's what is in my '60. It is not an OG bug.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:04 am Post subject: Re: 1960 manual |
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| glutamodo wrote: |
The 58-60 book is a bit slimmer than the 61-65 version, it's "only" 1016 pages according to Robert Bentley.
(And if you're planning on dealing with later stuff like a tunnel style transaxle, or a 40HP engine, the 61-65 book could be a better choice.
-Andy |
Oh.. allow me to me correct then... 
| VOLKSWAGNUT wrote: |
Over 1015 pages of purist bathroom reader....
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Agreed.... never too many resources to be had...
I prefer the 61-65 and the 66-69 manuals . Im a dealer tech so that explains why I like them....
They are overload for the average VW Joe Shadetree... but good information included nonetheless.
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Better to roll em' how you want and wear em' out-than lettin' em' rot out
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The CC&H manuals, along with the Idiot Book are the ones that ride in the cars' road kits. They are the ones with which you react to a repair need. The Bentley is the one that gets handled only with clean paws- and the procedures are read prior to work.
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I don't use my Bentley too much. It's almost like information overload. If I need a resource for a procedure it's quicker with the Idiot manual or such.
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| Idiot book is the way to go. Been through 3 of them, well used by me and friends! |
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