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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:37 am    Post subject: Zenith Carb w/Doghouse Cooler? Reply with quote

Well, I seem to have built myself into a corner. Built a new 1776 and wanted to use a Zenith with a cool old Race Trim manifold that I picked up. I also wanted to go doghouse and all the parts are in place when I figure out that I can't move the throttle tube over to line up with the carb. Do I have to do a Rube Goldberg and build a linkage, or has anyone done this and have an easy solution?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do what porsche did, put two of them on it. Works a whole lot better than one carb.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would be nice, but I have one carb. I'm bailing on it for now and going single 44 with a setup I have laying around.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Single Zenith works just fine with a stock doghouse, nothing fancy needed.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GTV wrote:
Single Zenith works just fine with a stock doghouse, nothing fancy needed.


The problem is linkage, the throttle arm lines up right in the middle of the cooler. Either the cable has a big bend in it or you make a custom lever setup. I did a 32NDIX with a doghouse cooler but it wasn't easy, see pics at the bottom of this thread:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=379987&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Or halfway down this one:


http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3...p;start=20

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies, I have gone with the Weber for now, I will address the Zenith at a later date. With the manifold I have there is no way it will work with a doghouse unless I build a linkiage.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bruce Amacker wrote:
GTV wrote:
Single Zenith works just fine with a stock doghouse, nothing fancy needed.


The problem is linkage, the throttle arm lines up right in the middle of the cooler. Either the cable has a big bend in it or you make a custom lever setup. I did a 32NDIX with a doghouse cooler but it wasn't easy, see pics at the bottom of this thread:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=379987&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Or halfway down this one:


http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3...p;start=20

Good Luck!


I had no problem...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GTV wrote:


I had no problem...





It looks like you have a big curve in your throttle cable as it exits the shroud. I didn't like that idea.........
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bruce Amacker wrote:
GTV wrote:


I had no problem...





It looks like you have a big curve in your throttle cable as it exits the shroud. I didn't like that idea.........


I agree that it wasn't ideal, but it worked for thousands of miles and never caused an issue.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This SP manifold had a angle and was a bit closer to the Alt/Gen.. allowed for the stock cable tube.

On most applications its best to use a no-Doghouse, Wide Fan type shroud and make the throttle tube where it needs to be, this is what the 1/2 1600 race guys race with and it does work great for cooling.


the pic below is just one I had in a file.. the one above is a 1/2 1600 Engine.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An easier alternative might be Joe Bence's roller tube. It's only meant to have the roller pointing upwards, for a hex bar, but you can spin it however you need, and modify the mounting provision just a little to look nice. So you turn the roller to the left, and the cable won't be rubbing against anything.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Art:

Nice of you to respond to this topic. I bought my 32NDIX off of you along with the manifold about 6 years ago, don't know if you saw the pics but here's the linkage in mockup 6 years ago:


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That carb has run perfect ever since, checked the A/F with an LM2 and it was spot on. Great job!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I brought up this same topic back in 2009 when I was trying to figure out the same thing.

I was running a Zenith carb on my engine, but could not figure out a way to run the throttle cable to the carb with a stock oil cooler in the fan shroud.

This was how I was routing the cable:

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A: Zenith cable location.
B: Stock cable location.


I had to use an external oil cooler with this configuration.

Here's the link to the thread:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4103376&highlight=#4103376
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