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FreewheelinWesty Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2015 Posts: 72 Location: Norfolk, VA
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:36 pm Post subject: Installed a propane heater using the fridge connection |
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This is my first post here on The Samba, and today I finished my first install without the help of online resources.
So pretty much, I bought a Mr. Heater Big Buddy for the winter months of camping, along with that I bought the special connect hose that goes with that unit and allows me to use larger propane tanks. On that special hose it came with a regulator, I took that off and installed a 3/8th (I think) thread which matches perfectly with the threads on the copper tube that attaches to the back of the fridge (mine doesn't work at all). with everything all installed I can disconnect the hose from the unit whenever the warmer weather rolls through.
I am very happy with the way this whole thing came together, I spent a total of about $160.
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newfisher Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2012 Posts: 1764 Location: The wet spot--Oregon
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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A Propex air heater and a catalyst heater are 2 very different heaters. Good job on DIY, but also read up on safety tips with the Buddy |
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?Waldo? Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 9752 Location: Where?
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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I think you should edit the title to remove propex (it has nothing at all to do with a propex) and to add Mr. Heater Buddy.
'Installed Mr. Heater Buddy' would be perfect and fit right in with the other Mr. Heater Buddy threads. |
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photogdave Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2004 Posts: 3050 Location: Vancouver Island, B.C.
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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newfisher wrote: |
A Propex air heater and a catalyst heater are 2 very different heaters. Good job on DIY, but also read up on safety tips with the Buddy |
Yes, be careful and also watch for condensation. After a few hours without enough ventilation you'll feel like you went through a car wash with the windows open! _________________ 89 Syncro GL Westfalia 2.1 WBX/WBXaustSS
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snwbrdr435 Samba Member
Joined: August 10, 2013 Posts: 337 Location: North Of Boston
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:44 am Post subject: |
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Watch the condensation as others have stated. I used a MR Heater once and two weeks later there was still condensation in the walls. |
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FreewheelinWesty Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2015 Posts: 72 Location: Norfolk, VA
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:52 am Post subject: |
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Andrew A. Libby wrote: |
I think you should edit the title to remove propex (it has nothing at all to do with a propex) and to add Mr. Heater Buddy.
'Installed Mr. Heater Buddy' would be perfect and fit right in with the other Mr. Heater Buddy threads. |
good call, changed it to something a little more appropriate. I just wanted my heater installation to differ from most of the installs here (most of them being propex heaters) |
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FreewheelinWesty Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2015 Posts: 72 Location: Norfolk, VA
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:56 am Post subject: |
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photogdave wrote: |
newfisher wrote: |
A Propex air heater and a catalyst heater are 2 very different heaters. Good job on DIY, but also read up on safety tips with the Buddy |
Yes, be careful and also watch for condensation. After a few hours without enough ventilation you'll feel like you went through a car wash with the windows open! |
snwbrdr435 wrote: |
Watch the condensation as others have stated. I used a MR Heater once and two weeks later there was still condensation in the walls. |
do you think having the skylight window open would be enough ventilation to avoid that? I planned on having it open just to keep fresh air coming in. |
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Syncro Jael Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2013 Posts: 2204 Location: Utah
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:39 am Post subject: |
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I used a Mr. Buddy for some time in my old bus. Condensation was always an issue, along with my wife never liked the smell of unvented propane heat. There is 0.81 gal water per gallon of propane as you burn it.
That is a great way to use your onboard propane tank for the Mr. Buddy. Just keep it well ventilated and you will enjoy some warm radiant heat. _________________ 1987 Syncro Westfalia Hightop - NAHT
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?Waldo? Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 9752 Location: Where?
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:17 am Post subject: |
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Water vapor will condense in locations where warm moist air can cool below the dew point. I believe there is a natural convection current that causes condensing of water behind the fridge if it is not running. The warm moist air cools a little at the driver's side windows, drops down behind the cabinet, cools more and water condenses out getting that seam wet and assisting with the prevalent rust issue behind the kitchen. The cold air then goes under the fridge and returns to the main air mass in the van. Instead of just the moisture from breathing mammals, you're adding a massive amount of water vapor as a combustion byproduct. |
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Terry Kay Banned
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:42 am Post subject: |
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I've used the Mr. Buddy Heater for many years without any condensation issues, but it takes a little common sense to abort the interior sweating.
Crack open the skylight, and run a small 12 volt oscillating clip on fan up front.
It'll not only distribute the heat within the cabin of the van, it'll cut down the interior condensation to a dull roar.
No big deal--- _________________ T.K. |
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Popsvan Samba Member
Joined: May 10, 2010 Posts: 112 Location: Louisa, VA
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:52 am Post subject: |
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I like it! Is that a galvanized piece in the middle? _________________ Rory
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Terry Kay Banned
Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:19 am Post subject: |
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The union is galvanized pipe.
He should have used a brass union to the copper tubing-- _________________ T.K. |
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JudoJeff Samba Member
Joined: May 24, 2013 Posts: 1179 Location: Near Springfield, MA
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:15 am Post subject: |
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x2 on the brass connection. You need to add a filter on the propane line at the heater, otherwise the Mr. Buddy won't run right. I have the same setup.
Edit 10-21: Here's a photo of the filter. Mr Buddy runs fine on the 1 pound bottles, but seems to choke if you try to use the larger bottles. The filter solves that problem, well documented elsewhere. Don't want you to freeze on a camping trip!
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22639 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:15 am Post subject: |
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A black pipe fitting would be ok, but I doubt there is enough moisture to make galvanic corrosion and issue.
Whats more important is to have all those fitting mechnically mounted so they are not subject to stress and strain. When we move a gas joint in a house, we look back at least 3 joints and 10 feet to make sure nothing loosened up and leaks. In a car, these joints have constant bumping.
At the least, leak test each joint before use. _________________ .ssS! |
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newfisher Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2012 Posts: 1764 Location: The wet spot--Oregon
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Terry Kay Banned
Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:25 am Post subject: |
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I wonder why he decided to go from brass & copper to galvanized pipe.
That coupler is too heavy to be swinging in the breeze. _________________ T.K. |
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FreewheelinWesty Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2015 Posts: 72 Location: Norfolk, VA
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Terry Kay wrote: |
I wonder why he decided to go from brass & copper to galvanized pipe.
That coupler is too heavy to be swinging in the breeze. |
It is simple why i went with the setup that i did; ignorance. I didn't know I wasn't supposed to use a brass on brass connection. Today I ran it for a couple of hours while at the beach with some friends and I'm happy to report that there was no condensation problem with the skylight open. I think i'll be alright on that part. |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22639 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Get some one to look over your Setup before you use it again, please.
You can kill yourself with propane. _________________ .ssS! |
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fxr Samba Member
Joined: December 07, 2014 Posts: 2321 Location: Bay area CA
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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And get a carbon monoxide alarm. _________________ Jim Crowther
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22639 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Actually a three way CO, smoke, and Gas alarm
About 60 bucks at Lowes. _________________ .ssS! |
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