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kalispell365
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 Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 9:06 am Post subject: How to identify the larger clamshell for factory alloys? |
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Can anyone on here tell me how to identify the larger spare tire clamshell and springs for the factory alloy wheel vans? I am in need of them but cannot find out how to tell the difference for sure once they are separate from the original vehicle.
Any help would be very much appreciated.
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kalispell365
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 9:52 am Post subject: Re: How to identify the larger clamshell for factory alloys? |
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I do know the springs AND the shell are a different part number for the alloy wheel and 205 tire, but cannot find part numbers on my steel wheel parts.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 9:54 am Post subject: Re: How to identify the larger clamshell for factory alloys? |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 9:59 am Post subject: Re: How to identify the larger clamshell for factory alloys? |
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The clam shells can be told apart by the square tab that the big bolt goes through to lock it closed. In the narrow wheel version the square tab just sticks out at the same level as the shell. In the wide wheel version the square tab has a step in it. That step mounts the front of the shell down slightly lower from the body.
The 2 thick wire upper parts I can't tell apart without having one of each type side by side.
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kalispell365
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:22 am Post subject: Re: How to identify the larger clamshell for factory alloys? |
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| crazyvwvanman wrote: |
The clam shells can be told apart by the square tab that the big bolt goes through to lock it closed. In the narrow wheel version the square tab just sticks out at the same level as the shell. In the wide wheel version the square tab has a step in it. That step mounts the front of the shell down slightly lower from the body.
The 2 thick wire upper parts I can't tell apart without having one of each type side by side.
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I just looked and my steel wheel shell has about 1/4" of step up in it, so Im not sure if that would be the identifier unless they were side by side. Of course, an option that I don't have.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:35 am Post subject: Re: How to identify the larger clamshell for factory alloys? |
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The step I mean is more like 1 1/2"
If you lay the narrow wheel version upside down on the driveway the sheet metal edge will lay flat and the square tab won't lift that edge. If you do it with the wide wheel version the tab hits the ground long before the sheet metal can lay flat.
The other visual difference is the big step has an extra hole in the drop section for the safety catch. The narrow version uses the covered lip of the sheet metal as the safety catch area.
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insyncro
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:41 am Post subject: Re: How to identify the larger clamshell for factory alloys? |
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| The difference is easily seen by eye. |
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kalispell365
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:41 am Post subject: Re: How to identify the larger clamshell for factory alloys? |
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Found it on google!
The one on the left is the alloy clamshell.
Now, if I can find out the difference visually in the springs. Thank you everyone for your input so far.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:45 am Post subject: Re: How to identify the larger clamshell for factory alloys? |
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The springs are just wider to accommodate the larger diameter wheel.
I have a crate full of at least 20 of each sets.
It will be going to scrap in the spring.
Not looking to sell any, just stating.
Shipping would be the deal breaker for most anyway.
Burley and GW have skid systems now, so these are being pulled off on a regular basis. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:50 am Post subject: Re: How to identify the larger clamshell for factory alloys? |
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Here, this is what the square tab looks like for the wider 205 tire version
(I won't call it the alloy version because there were some vans with factory steel wheels that had the same wider wheel as the alloys, for 205 tires.
Yes, some factory steel wheels, rare, 6" x 14" ET30)
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kalispell365
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:07 am Post subject: Re: How to identify the larger clamshell for factory alloys? |
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Thank you for all this information Mark!
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:29 am Post subject: Re: How to identify the larger clamshell for factory alloys? |
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Dylan, if you aren't willing to send the tire retainers to anyone, would you at least take a photo of them side by side to help the OP identify locate some?
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Thank you for caring Dave. This kind of concern in helping others is what makes most Vanagon folks good people. Its too bad the kindness doesn't permeate all.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:48 am Post subject: Re: How to identify the larger clamshell for factory alloys? |
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A HUGE thank you goes out to Scott Shelley!
He is willing to go out of his way and send me a shell and springs for FREE in order to help me out. 
I cant thank you enough Scott...its refreshing to see someone just wanting to help someone else just because you are a good person. I will take detailed photos of both the shell differences as well as the spring differences and share them on this thread for all. If there is anything else I see different I will post that as well.
Thank you!
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: How to identify the larger clamshell for factory alloys? |
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Here, this is what the square tab looks like for the wider 205 tire version
(I won't call it the alloy version because there were some vans with factory steel wheels that had the same wider wheel as the alloys, for 205 tires.
Yes, some factory steel wheels, rare, 6" x 14" ET30)
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This one is bent.
Here is one that isn't.
The springy thingies are just wider.
Sounds like the OP got covered.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: How to identify the larger clamshell for factory alloys? |
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Huh, the crap you learn on a saturday morning that makes you go out in the garage in your skivvies and check. I have the alloy wheel setup - cool.
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