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Merian Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:45 pm Post subject: FutureVan |
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you know you want it... or something like it
You can add this active swaybar (which can be found in junkyards; used on the Porsche 'pepperpot' SUV)
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Merian Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Merian Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: FutureVan |
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boof1306 Samba Member
Joined: July 10, 2010 Posts: 304 Location: MELBOURNE AUSTRALIA
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: FutureVan |
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I hate to rain on your parade but the electronics behind making those sway bars work are complex and not a retrofit proposition as they require inputs from other control units. |
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Team WorldTour Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 2426 Location: Der Vaterland
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 3:07 am Post subject: Re: FutureVan |
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boof1306 wrote: |
I hate to rain on your parade but the electronics behind making those sway bars work are complex and not a retrofit proposition as they require inputs from other control units. |
Well, thanks for that.
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:28 am Post subject: Re: FutureVan |
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The only limiting factor for all upgrades will be the budget of the van owner.
Anything is possible
Happy New Year. |
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Butcher Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2015 Posts: 1285 Location: Right Here
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:26 am Post subject: Re: FutureVan |
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Which is to say it is impossible. |
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Merian Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: FutureVan |
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some things are impossible, but what we think of as impossible often becomes merely hideously expensive, followed by luxury, then by std. equipment on all cars
Here is an old old idea from the guy who started the whole "VW thing," now coming back into prominence:
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Butcher Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2015 Posts: 1285 Location: Right Here
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: FutureVan |
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Merian wrote: |
some things are impossible, but what we think of as impossible often becomes merely hideously expensive |
Which is why it would be impossible for any VW Vanagon owner. If I'm wrong, someone will chime in and make it possible.
I'm not holding my breath. I've worked with some of the riches people in the worlds vehicles and they are not interested in Vanagons. One of them tried to get a Porsche in the country several years back and could not until the law was changed [somehow he helped changed that too].
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_959 |
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IdahoDoug Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2010 Posts: 10251 Location: N. Idaho
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: FutureVan |
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Agree that active swaybar would be a non starter for a retrofit. It relies upon a large data flow from a variety of sensors. The sensors in turn feed a processor, which then tells the powerful swaybar activation what to do. This must happen in real time.
Even if all the components were in place there is no data map for what the system should do for a Vanagon, to assist in its handling. Those maps are created by teams of engineers, track time and simulators.
So, it is a pretty daunting task, and the skills to do it would not likely reside outside of an automaker's suspension engineering department, or a sizable vendor tasked with doing this specifically for the automaker under a spendy contract. _________________ 1987 2WD Wolfsburg Vanagon Weekender "Mango", two fully locked 80 Series LandCruisers. 2017 Subaru Outback boxer. 1990 Audi 90 Quattro 20V with rear locking differential, 1990 burgundy parts Vanagon. 1984 Porsche 944, 1988 Toyota Supra 5 speed targa, 2002 BMW 325iX, 1982 Toyota Sunrader |
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Merian Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: FutureVan |
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that won't stop someone from trying to hack one in - it is a VW after all |
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240Gordy Samba Member
Joined: May 15, 2008 Posts: 2354 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: FutureVan |
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Oh somebody will hack it. It might not be as sophisticated as the Porsche but someone will.
After Greg got the Subie deisel going I will never say never again. _________________ Tencentlife said,
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240Gordy Samba Member
Joined: May 15, 2008 Posts: 2354 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:57 pm Post subject: Re: FutureVan |
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All doable now with off the shelf aftermarket components. You might need to fab some brackets etc. But the electronics and sensors are all available. _________________ Tencentlife said,
"So, now that you know what you're doing, go to town."
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Type17 Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2012 Posts: 300 Location: Chicagoland
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:14 am Post subject: Re: FutureVan |
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I'd just be happy with a sway bar that could be decoupled on the fly.
Which is totally possible, but still not worth it. |
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:38 am Post subject: Re: FutureVan |
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Type17 wrote: |
I'd just be happy with a sway bar that could be decoupled on the fly.
Which is totally possible, but still not worth it. |
Not only possible, but have been mounted to a Syncro of mine for years now.
Pictures have been posted. |
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IdahoDoug Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2010 Posts: 10251 Location: N. Idaho
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 8:24 am Post subject: Re: FutureVan |
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Decoupler = easy peasy. Powered, active swaybar tailored to the Vanagon = nearly impossible without automaker-grade resources. _________________ 1987 2WD Wolfsburg Vanagon Weekender "Mango", two fully locked 80 Series LandCruisers. 2017 Subaru Outback boxer. 1990 Audi 90 Quattro 20V with rear locking differential, 1990 burgundy parts Vanagon. 1984 Porsche 944, 1988 Toyota Supra 5 speed targa, 2002 BMW 325iX, 1982 Toyota Sunrader |
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ALIKA T3 Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2009 Posts: 6360 Location: Honolulu,Hawaii and France
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MsTaboo Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 4097 Location: East Kootenay, British Columbia
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: FutureVan |
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insyncro wrote: |
Type17 wrote: |
I'd just be happy with a sway bar that could be decoupled on the fly.
Which is totally possible, but still not worth it. |
Not only possible, but have been mounted to a Syncro of mine for years now.
Pictures have been posted. |
Any pictures of them actually mounted on the Syncro? _________________ Currently:
'90 Syncro Westy 3 knob w/Zetec
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insyncro Banned
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: FutureVan |
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ALIKA T3 wrote: |
insyncro wrote: |
Type17 wrote: |
I'd just be happy with a sway bar that could be decoupled on the fly.
Which is totally possible, but still not worth it. |
Not only possible, but have been mounted to a Syncro of mine for years now.
Pictures have been posted. |
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6685312
These ones?
Any update on these?
Happy New year 2016 by the way Dylan (and others of course: may your projects come to fruition ) |
The only issue with them is that they are NLA from the fabricator that built them.
The last I had heard is that he had some health issues.
The links are sweet and have served me well thus far.
Currently mounted with T3's 25mm bar and my custom mounts.
Happy New Year to you as well Alika, I hope your rental vans are coming along nicely. |
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Merian Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: FutureVan |
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To many Vanagonites, styling is much more important than utility, so how about...
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