Re-Sweep the Floor 1679cc- Heads/Cam/Exhaust? More Top End

[mark tucker]

wow yamaduckey posted!!!!..but...mag pickup shouldent need a ground...only points....but...posiably a all in one unit might so...wtf ittell ground through the gears ..... are you gonna machine the step out of the crab above the fluterbuy? or flip the vent over..... ever finish the lamp crank motor???

[theastronaut]

[MURZI]

Where did you get the stacks???
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Tim’s welded heads
45 Dells
A1 sidewinder
Fk44 cam

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[mark tucker]

you dont realy need header rap on stainless headers as it already has properties like ceramic thermal barrier's do.

[theastronaut]

[UK Luke 72]

I wrap my stainless so it doesn't take my skin off
Looks cool too

[mark tucker]

looks kool??I thought the stainless looks kool.....just before it takes your skin off.... I could never cover up a good looking header.

[nsracing]

[theastronaut]

It's finally going back together.

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[Matthew]

Looking good!
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[theastronaut]

Just cranked it for the first time today. The fan is slightly rubbing in the shroud (higher pitched noise in the vids), that's the only problem so far. It started right up, no issues trying to get it to run and no bad noises! Ran it at 2500 rpm for 20 minutes, then drained the oil. Still no bad noises! I set the shift light to come on at 2400 so I could see when I had the idle screws adjusted in far enough through the back window. Oil looked great, no shavings or particles. Tomorrow I'll add fresh oil, check the valves, set the timing, set the idle speed, idle mixture, sync the carbs, and get the fan to stop rubbing. Also still need to get the cylinder head temp lead hooked up and install a new throttle cable. Its supposed to rain all day tomorrow so I probably won't get any miles on it until next week. I'm pretty happy with how the break in went, and it seemed pretty responsive with just the initial "get it to run" settings.


First start:


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At the end of the 20 minute break in.


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'64 Beetle Sunroof OG Bahama Blue
'63 Beetle Vert
'66 Beetle
'88 Festiva L
'89 Festiva L
'64 Chevy C10
'66 Chevy C10

[theastronaut]

Last update. I got a chance to sync the carbs, set the timing, and adjust the idle mixture yesterday afternoon. I drove it 1/4 mile to the nearest gas station and back and dropped the idle speed a little and double checked everything. All looked good so I left out on the first test drive. I made it about half a mile before I noticed smoke behind the car...


The oil drain plug must have bottomed out and came loose. It's ground off heavily at an angle with the grind marks in all directions from loosening against whatever is scaped on. I knew the low hanging sump was a concern, and I had planned on raising the car up to compensate before I started driving it regularly. The temporary tires/wheels didn't help either as they were very short 195/50's. It dumped oil all over the exhaust, soaking the header wrap and catching the oil/wrap on fire. I quicky pulled over and smothered it with my shirt and I had a car cover inside the car so I used it also. That slowed the fire substantially. A guy I knew from car shows happened to be driving by and stopped; he drove me 1/8 mile to a nearby church to grab a fire extinguisher. I emptied it but there were a few small flare ups still so we went back for a second extinguisher. This got it out and the fire departement showed up quickly to take it from there. The interior firewall padding was smouldering, I didn't catch that so it's good that the fire departement showed up as soon as they did. They pulled the carpet and padding out, and wet down the headliner as a precaution.


I know I should have had an extinguisher on board, but in this case with the amount of oil that was dumped I don't think the outcome would have been much, or any better. Having the church that close and a guy that drove me there and back quickly is the only thing that saved the car from completely going up in flames. We went through one and a half large extinguishers and we were still putting out small flare-ups when the fire department got there. Had we run out again or the FD been slower to arrive it would be much worse than it is.


So the car is in pretty bad shape. I'll likely have to replace everything from the window back and most of the interior. I'm pretty bummed about it but it's just a car. I had my priorities out of line a few years back and this would have devistated me back then. Its not a big deal now, just another project to play with in the future. The guys that pulled over to help are safe, I'm safe with only a few small burns from trying to smother the fire. It could have easily been much worse if I hadn't got a ride to the church to pick up the fire extinguishers.


I know you guys were looking forward to some driving impressions so here's what I could tell from the short drive to/from the gas station, and the second short trip before the fire.

The bottom end power was still there, and was actually better than before. It was very stout from 2-3k, enough that I easily kicked it sideways just laying into it (not popping the clutch) coming out of the driveway. It had a big hesitation around 3200 rpm (idle to main transition?) then picked up on the mains up to around 6,000 rpm. The top end was very weak, jetting must have been way off or something else was wrong. It didn't have the harsh/instant torque like the old motor had below ~1700 rpm so it was easier to drive smoothly like I was hoping for, but still had a lot of grunt between 2-3k rpm. With the bottom end power improved, I'm dissapointed that it wasn't running well enough to see how it ran on the top end.


I was suprised at how much louder the 45's were over the old 36's. The AA exhaust is much louder than the old Vintage Speed exhaust, probably something I wouldn't have been able to live with. The louder intake noise was nice though, I really liked how they sounded when rolling into the throttle.


Pics from the scene. It's pretty ugly, lots of damage to the car and engine. The carbs are frozen, alternator is locked down. Everything that wasn't metal is gone. I haven't been able to see if the engine will turn over. I'll be tearing it apart this week to start the clean up as the extinguisher powder is likely to be corrosive. At this point I'll probably just tear it down, get it cleaned and the metal protected, and put it in the barn for awhile.

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Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exist and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough."
-Sir Henry Royce, co-founder of Rolls-Royce

'64 Beetle Sunroof OG Bahama Blue
'63 Beetle Vert
'66 Beetle
'88 Festiva L
'89 Festiva L
'64 Chevy C10
'66 Chevy C10

[subhuman]

damn sorry to hear that, good luck building it back!
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[midtravelmidengine]

Man that sucks BAD

The first drives are always the most fun and most nerve racking! Sorry it turned out this way
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[vince1]

Ouch so sorry to read that
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[rosevillain]

Damn

[esde]

[modok]

NO WAY!


Most of that can be fixed.
I want to know, did the carbs survive?

[Pizza Eater]

Sorry for your loss.