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zimbo Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2011 Posts: 13 Location: Olympia
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:35 pm Post subject: Value of Vanagon without engine |
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Hi, I'm trying to figure out what to do with my Vanagon. 82 turbodiesel that needs a total rebuild. Question is whether the body without the engine has any value & approximately what. No dents, paint is nice, interior is ok but dirty, seats are all ok. I'm debating whether to pull the engine, rebuild it & put it in a Jetta. My understanding is that most people end up swapping out the 1.6s anyway. I don't know if there's any demand or not for these Vanagons.
Also somebody mentioned that the turbocharger itself was worth more than the van? Am I reading that correctly? |
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greebly Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2009 Posts: 966 Location: Here and now
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: value of Vanagon without engine |
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A van that is capable of being driven away is much more valuable than one without an engine. There are some that will buy it as is, but they are going to low ball you because they will be using it for spares or to fix and flip. |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12115 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: value of Vanagon without engine |
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Whereabouts in Oly are you? _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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Vinzanto Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2012 Posts: 247 Location: Kansas City
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: value of Vanagon without engine |
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If you're going to pull the engine, re-seal it and put it in a Jetta why not just pull the engine, re-seal it and put it back in the van? _________________ 1984 Vanagon Westfalia Wolfsberg |
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vanis13 Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2010 Posts: 3094 Location: ABQ NM USA.... Except when not
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:47 pm Post subject: Re: value of Vanagon without engine |
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I'm continually looking for my next Westy and I'm looking for solid unit with a blown engine since I'd replace the engine with a subi (or maybe a modern diesel conversion on the net one). So I'm looking for a discount from a running van since its not running but it would be worth more than $500 to me if all else is solid. the dirt may knock a bit off of the final price but I figure I'd have to clean anything anyway. _________________ 83.5 Westy with Subaru 2.5, 4 spd manual, center seat, COLD A/C on 134a!, Winter camp heated with an Espar B4 gasoline furnace
www.SuperVanagon.com - some stuff I make |
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vanis13 Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2010 Posts: 3094 Location: ABQ NM USA.... Except when not
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: value of Vanagon without engine |
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and the non-running is not an issue for delivery since if it was withing 200 miles I'd use my AAA towing or if father I would either have it shipped to tow it myself. _________________ 83.5 Westy with Subaru 2.5, 4 spd manual, center seat, COLD A/C on 134a!, Winter camp heated with an Espar B4 gasoline furnace
www.SuperVanagon.com - some stuff I make |
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Terry Kay Banned
Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:19 am Post subject: Re: value of Vanagon without engine |
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82 with no motor?
$100.00 _________________ T.K. |
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greebly Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2009 Posts: 966 Location: Here and now
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:15 am Post subject: Re: value of Vanagon without engine |
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vanis13 wrote: |
and the non-running is not an issue for delivery since if it was withing 200 miles I'd use my AAA towing or if father I would either have it shipped to tow it my shelf. |
It has to have a current plate on it for AAA to tow it for free, they will tow one without a plate for a member and charge them the commercial rate. |
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17124 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:16 am Post subject: Re: value of Vanagon without engine |
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Put it on ebay no reserve. I too am always looking for solid vanagons with major problems hoping to pickup at a discount vs a running one. Depending on condition, I'd say between Terry's offer and $1200 depending on the condition of everything else. I have seen non running campers sell on ebay for $4000. There is a market out there. _________________ ☮️ |
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SyncroChrick Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2005 Posts: 1010 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:47 am Post subject: Re: value of Vanagon without engine |
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yes there is a demand for those. some people really wants to have a diesel and this represents a good opportunity to install the engine of their choice.
If the turbo really has value, I would leave it with the van and sell everything as a package on Ebay. Don't even remove anything from it, just sell as is with broken engine. (You may want to clean the inside though).
You may be surprised how much you will get.
It is going to be a lot more than $100, I am willing to bet money on it. My guess would be between $800 to $1500 |
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spacecadet Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2012 Posts: 158 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:09 am Post subject: Re: value of Vanagon without engine |
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Break it down and part it out- bet you get more than everything else mentioned. _________________ Daily Drivers Only
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1990 Volvo 740 Turbo(Sold)
1986 Mercedes 300 Coupe (Sold)
1954 Volvo PV544 (Sold)
1990 Dodge D250 Cummins (Totaled)
1990 Vanagon GL 2.1 Automatic (Sold)
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SyncroChrick Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2005 Posts: 1010 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:10 am Post subject: Re: value of Vanagon without engine |
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spacecadet wrote: |
Break it down and part it out- bet you get more than everything else mentioned. |
Not a very good advice I am afraid. 82 have very few parts that are in demand. It is extremely unlikely that you will make as much as if you sell as whole and you will be destroying another Vanagon in the process. |
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IdahoDoug Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2010 Posts: 10248 Location: N. Idaho
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:18 am Post subject: Re: value of Vanagon without engine |
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Agree - keep it together unless you are an experienced parts breaker. By the time you do the labor and disassemble, package and ship, you may wish you'd just gotten a single check and be done with it. Advertise it as a winter project and see what happens. You can always change your mind and part it, but once a few missing bits are gone, you can't change your mind and keep it whole. _________________ 1987 2WD Wolfsburg Vanagon Weekender "Mango", two fully locked 80 Series LandCruisers. 2017 Subaru Outback boxer. 1990 Audi 90 Quattro 20V with rear locking differential, 1990 burgundy parts Vanagon. 1984 Porsche 944, 1988 Toyota Supra 5 speed targa, 2002 BMW 325iX, 1982 Toyota Sunrader |
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raoul mitgong Samba Member
Joined: July 05, 2009 Posts: 1338 Location: Denver, CO
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:19 am Post subject: Re: value of Vanagon without engine |
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Pop Top or not? 82 tintop will not fetch much.
-d _________________ 84 Westy with a 2.1 (Groover)
86 Tintop Syncro (Crow)
86 Tintop Syncro to Westy project (Tom Servo)
91 Westy (Only the top 12 inches of this van (a burn victim)) |
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spacecadet Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2012 Posts: 158 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: value of Vanagon without engine |
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SyncroChrick wrote: |
spacecadet wrote: |
Break it down and part it out- bet you get more than everything else mentioned. |
Not a very good advice I am afraid. 82 have very few parts that are in demand. It is extremely unlikely that you will make as much as if you sell as whole and you will be destroying another Vanagon in the process. |
All the body panels, lights, doors, hinges, suspension parts, etc etc etc.
The OP is looking at it's weight in dirty scrap at this point, might as well help a bunch of other vanagon owners and make more loot at the same time.
So it's not destroying and it's not unlikely.
EDIT: Not only all that, but they implied the ability to pull the motor and swap it into a jetta- breaking down a van is not much harder... _________________ Daily Drivers Only
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1990 Volvo 740 Turbo(Sold)
1986 Mercedes 300 Coupe (Sold)
1954 Volvo PV544 (Sold)
1990 Dodge D250 Cummins (Totaled)
1990 Vanagon GL 2.1 Automatic (Sold)
1968 Ford F250(Current) |
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SyncroChrick Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2005 Posts: 1010 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:16 pm Post subject: Re: value of Vanagon without engine |
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spacecadet wrote: |
SyncroChrick wrote: |
spacecadet wrote: |
Break it down and part it out- bet you get more than everything else mentioned. |
Not a very good advice I am afraid. 82 have very few parts that are in demand. It is extremely unlikely that you will make as much as if you sell as whole and you will be destroying another Vanagon in the process. |
All the body panels, lights, doors, hinges, suspension parts, etc etc etc.
The OP is looking at it's weight in dirty scrap at this point, might as well help a bunch of other vanagon owners and make more loot at the same time.
So it's not destroying and it's not unlikely.
EDIT: Not only all that, but they implied the ability to pull the motor and swap it into a jetta- breaking down a van is not much harder... |
The problem is not so much with breaking it apart although that does take a bit more work that we usually account for.
It is with storing, selling and shipping the parts.
There is no much demand for a front passenger door or 15 in steel wheels or side windows....it takes months and months to unload parts unless you have something very exclusive like power mirrors or south african grill - which I doubt this van has. You have to store those parts somewhere. Then you have to pack them and ship them. Factor all those hours in your calculation.
I am giving away good free parts to BusLab every week because no one wants them.
Not worth it in my opinion and experience.
At least, try Ebay or TheSamba first before you go that route. |
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D Clymer Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2005 Posts: 2978 Location: Issaquah, WA
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: Value of Vanagon without engine |
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In the Seattle area (Olympia included) Vanagons are enthusiastically in demand. If the body really is straight and original on yours, you should have no trouble finding a buyer for the rolling shell.
I would clean it up and put it on Craigslist for $1200. I think you'll find a taker for somewhere in that price range.
Dave |
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Guybrush Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2015 Posts: 453 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: Value of Vanagon without engine |
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Frankly, going through forums like this and with a bit of experience in car work although not tons of it specifically on Vanagons, it seems to me that in general, most of us are much more able to deal with engine/mechanical work, electrical and interior work, than to take care of body work and paint, which requires much different setups and conditions of work, to do at least a decent job.
So, going against the flow, for me a nice straight body with no dents and a nice paint has more value than a working engine, as used working engines can be bought and installed much more easily than dealing with body work. In addition, most of the time your working engine will end up requiring work and refurbishing soon after purchase, because you'll want to make sure it's in top shape and ready to work.
Anyway, that's my thinking and I have trouble agreeing with those who seem to think this is worthless. |
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0to60in6min Samba Member
Joined: November 27, 2006 Posts: 3416 Location: OR & CA (Oregon/California)
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Value of Vanagon without engine |
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I guess a vanagon Diesel without an engine has some value he in California. The would be buyer will put in any engine he wants a free of smog check for life...
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