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iamdonquixote Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2003 Posts: 2041 Location: M*ssholia
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:16 pm Post subject: Tastefully removing the cargo floor heater log |
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I've put a few of these back in buses , but I'm going to take one out. Whats the cleanest way to do this? I want to route the heat up front, any one have pics of how they did this/
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j.pickens Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2002 Posts: 9791 Location: Exit 7, New Jersey
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: tastefully removing the cargo floor heater log |
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Certainly not the way VW did it in original kombis. The Y tubes are quite a bit smaller in cross section than the main heater tube running to the front. An old furnace guy I knew said you NEVER put larger ductwork after a reduction in cross section in a forced hot air system. _________________ Founder and Chairman Emeritus, ECMSAS
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campingbox Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2000 Posts: 10196 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:25 pm Post subject: Re: tastefully removing the cargo floor heater log |
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j.pickens wrote: |
Certainly not the way VW did it in original kombis. The Y tubes are quite a bit smaller in cross section than the main heater tube running to the front. An old furnace guy I knew said you NEVER put larger ductwork after a reduction in cross section in a forced hot air system. |
If you add the two small tubes together are they bigger than the one running down the middle? |
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Joined: June 20, 2007 Posts: 140 Location: NOR CAL
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: tastefully removing the cargo floor heater log |
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Hey DonQ, I'd be interested in the one you are removing. Mine's gone. Let me know. No hurry. thanks _________________ in order
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Stanagon Samba Member
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brettsvw Samba Member
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otis_bartleh Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2009 Posts: 1106 Location: Burlington, WA
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 7:51 am Post subject: Re: Tastefully removing the cargo floor heater log |
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I ran the heat from both sides up front in my standard. I just knocked the cap off the Y at the back and ran flexible exhaust pipe from the heater box to the Y, and wrapped it with insulation. I can grab a pic in a bit. It looks like a low point but its not, and have had no problems, even on rough off road...
I still have the heater log wrapped with a plastic bag and taped off under my rear seat, but should cap the pipe to it... Of course it doesn't look even close to stock underneath, and its hidden by my rear seat/bed inside, but I don't care, and it works well... _________________ -Adam
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j.pickens Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2002 Posts: 9791 Location: Exit 7, New Jersey
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: tastefully removing the cargo floor heater log |
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campingbox wrote: |
j.pickens wrote: |
Certainly not the way VW did it in original kombis. The Y tubes are quite a bit smaller in cross section than the main heater tube running to the front. An old furnace guy I knew said you NEVER put larger ductwork after a reduction in cross section in a forced hot air system. |
If you add the two small tubes together are they bigger than the one running down the middle? |
Not if you measure their crossection at their narrowest point where they squish between the torsion tube and the rear floor. _________________ Founder and Chairman Emeritus, ECMSAS
BBX BBXII and BBXXI Long Distance Award Winner
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i wish more people would actually drive their vws rather than just talking about what they have in the garage. |
Red Fau Veh wrote: |
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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: Tastefully removing the cargo floor heater log |
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I don't really get the idea of converting to all heat up front. Under you will be rocking a cab divider. Yes there will be quicker window defogging, but you don't actually get more heat into the bus. Actually, probably you get less heat, as the air cools as it runs through the tube under the bus.
In the kombi I get a cool draft at the back of my neck that I don't get in the deluxe.
If your bus is drafty I guess you don't feel the heat from the back as much, but it seems a bit of a hassle. Anyway, just some thoughts. carry on.
hm, maybe you use your bus like I use the kombi and often have the entire back packed with stuff so the heat doesn't flow into where people are. _________________ The Obsolete Air-Cooled Documentation Project http://oacdp.org/ |
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iamdonquixote Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2003 Posts: 2041 Location: M*ssholia
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:50 am Post subject: Re: Tastefully removing the cargo floor heater log |
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Clara wrote: |
I don't really get the idea of converting to all heat up front. Under you will be rocking a cab divider. Yes there will be quicker window defogging, but you don't actually get more heat into the bus. Actually, probably you get less heat, as the air cools as it runs through the tube under the bus.
In the kombi I get a cool draft at the back of my neck that I don't get in the deluxe.
If your bus is drafty I guess you don't feel the heat from the back as much, but it seems a bit of a hassle. Anyway, just some thoughts. carry on.
hm, maybe you use your bus like I use the kombi and often have the entire back packed with stuff so the heat doesn't flow into where people are. |
true,true. I'm putting an so42 kit in to a 67 standard, so thats the motivation. I can probably just remove the little pieces that attach the log to the cargo floor and slip the z bed under it ( don't want to hack bottom of z bed ). but more importantly, I usually care a LOT more about defrost than heat. And most of the time, its just two passengers in my bus ( up front ). |
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otis_bartleh Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2009 Posts: 1106 Location: Burlington, WA
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:10 am Post subject: Re: Tastefully removing the cargo floor heater log |
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iamdonquixote wrote: |
Clara wrote: |
I don't really get the idea of converting to all heat up front. Under you will be rocking a cab divider. Yes there will be quicker window defogging, but you don't actually get more heat into the bus. Actually, probably you get less heat, as the air cools as it runs through the tube under the bus.
In the kombi I get a cool draft at the back of my neck that I don't get in the deluxe.
If your bus is drafty I guess you don't feel the heat from the back as much, but it seems a bit of a hassle. Anyway, just some thoughts. carry on.
hm, maybe you use your bus like I use the kombi and often have the entire back packed with stuff so the heat doesn't flow into where people are. |
true,true. I'm putting an so42 kit in to a 67 standard, so thats the motivation. I can probably just remove the little pieces that attach the log to the cargo floor and slip the z bed under it ( don't want to hack bottom of z bed ). but more importantly, I usually care a LOT more about defrost than heat. And most of the time, its just two passengers in my bus ( up front ). |
Basically same here. I put a camper kit in my bus too, although my z-bed was already hacked for the heater log. I also keep a bunch of tools and parts under the seat. I did notice a big improvement when I did mine. And until I get to replacing my front floor which is basically a large fresh air vent, I need all the heat I can get up front. _________________ -Adam
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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Tastefully removing the cargo floor heater log |
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I put a westy bed in the back of my 61 deluxe.
I cut a hole in the bottom of the bed and left the door off.
One bonus feature of this is that when I drive to the campsite with the heat on, the bed is pre-warmed.
I guess if you don't want to hack the board at the bottom of the bed, I would slit the supports and slid it in.
The 61 deluxe does not have as much defog as the 66 kombi (smaller heat tube, half heat to the front) but it still defogs.
Seems my buses have a certain amount of perforations to let the heat out, except the 56 westy. It is amazing how the heat is better without drafts. Plus the gas heater really eliminated the cold draft from the back when the bus was perforated.
You could rivet patches on the front floor till you get around to doing it right.
A PO did this to my kombi:
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Schwing Samba Member
Joined: May 10, 2009 Posts: 2506 Location: Centreville, MD
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:35 am Post subject: Re: Tastefully removing the cargo floor heater log |
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Sounds like you are basically wanting to take the bus configuration and convert to a single cab configuration since there is no heat routed to the fuel tank/treasure chest area.
I have my original crusty heater Y pipe and if you pay for shipping I can send it to you as a template. I paid a shop about $55 to do the bends for me.
Basically what I did was use a brand new Alan Schofield small Y intersection and then I had a local repair shop bend exhaust tubing to the same parameters, and it fit and looks the part, since no one reproduces this section.
Here is the rusty original Y next to the new small Y intersection from Alan Schofield
And here is the pipe the shop made. Its not perfect but it fit nicely and does the trick once tacked in place.
I cut a nice square access area out to allow room to fit the pipe, which is what you will need to do since your floor is already in place. I cut around the corrugation to make the butt weld easier. If you were replacing your floor you would do the pipe first and then lay the floor on top.
Then weld it back up. Its not exactly perfect but with an SO42 you'd never see it.
Thats just what I did, thought I would share since its essentially what you are trying to accomplish. |
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otis_bartleh Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2009 Posts: 1106 Location: Burlington, WA
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 11:33 am Post subject: Re: Tastefully removing the cargo floor heater log |
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Clara wrote: |
You could rivet patches on the front floor till you get around to doing it right.
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I actually have my old washing machine outside to use the metal to do just that... But then I keep thinking I should just do it right and the license plates are holding it together ok for now... _________________ -Adam
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