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kirkvw72 Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2006 Posts: 272 Location: Hoffman Estates, Illinois
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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Will this work with the VanCafe oil pressure kit I ordered/just received? I've been running my van with no shields since installing my WBXSS exhaust two+ years ago. _________________ 2015 VW GTi Autobahn
2000 Mercedes Benz E430
1992 Miata, automatic converted to a 5-speed
1988 Vanagon Wolfsburg
1987 Porsche 944 (951) Turbo
1987 Vanagon GL, Rocky Jennings Heads, RMW Exhaust, ASL 5-speed, AMG Wheels
1981 Porsche 924 (931) Turbo
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tencentlife Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 10067 Location: Abiquiu, NM, USA
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I prefer the stock system. it can take an impact and since it is not hooked to the pushrod tubes, wont transfer the impact to the tubes. also with some bending and extending the mount that hooks to the exhaust stud, I was able to run a relocated pressure sender switch with the stock shields, and also am able to protect my hoses for the external cooler by running the oil hoses between the stock shield and the tubes. The extended mount, I do not need to remove the exhaust nut to lower the stock shields out of the way
For coolant change, I flush with a flushing tee on the rear heater hose, and blow out excess water with a shop vac thru a disconnected radiator hose at radiator. no need I found to drain via the engine drain plugs.
it is just not a good idea to mount the shield directly to the fragile pushrod tubes as this design has done, whack the plate on the ground on a rough road and the tubes can still be damaged. The shield really should be mounted differently, on the tubes as it is asking for trouble |
This ^^^ is seriously some of the most stupid tripe I've ever seen vomited up on here, and that's really saying something. _________________ Shop for unique Vanagon accessories at the Vanistan shop:
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noganav Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2006 Posts: 1236 Location: San Diego CA
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: New low-profile SS pushrod tube shields from Vanistan/RMW |
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Across all topics, he's consistently one of the best. |
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tencentlife Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 10067 Location: Abiquiu, NM, USA
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: New low-profile SS pushrod tube shields from Vanistan/RMW |
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Hard not to notice, it's true. _________________ Shop for unique Vanagon accessories at the Vanistan shop:
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MMKGreenMachine Samba Member
Joined: April 18, 2023 Posts: 15 Location: Vancouver Island, BC
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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tencentlife wrote: |
bluebus86 wrote: |
I prefer the stock system. it can take an impact and since it is not hooked to the pushrod tubes, wont transfer the impact to the tubes. also with some bending and extending the mount that hooks to the exhaust stud, I was able to run a relocated pressure sender switch with the stock shields, and also am able to protect my hoses for the external cooler by running the oil hoses between the stock shield and the tubes. The extended mount, I do not need to remove the exhaust nut to lower the stock shields out of the way
For coolant change, I flush with a flushing tee on the rear heater hose, and blow out excess water with a shop vac thru a disconnected radiator hose at radiator. no need I found to drain via the engine drain plugs.
it is just not a good idea to mount the shield directly to the fragile pushrod tubes as this design has done, whack the plate on the ground on a rough road and the tubes can still be damaged. The shield really should be mounted differently, on the tubes as it is asking for trouble |
This ^^^ is seriously some of the most stupid tripe I've ever seen vomited up on here, and that's really saying something. |
I have no doubt you're right about this, tencentlife, but for us less mechanically inclined folks can you possibly provide a brief explanation as to why bluebus86 is out to lunch on this one? Thanks! |
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zerotofifty Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2003 Posts: 1497
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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MMKGreenMachine wrote: |
tencentlife wrote: |
bluebus86 wrote: |
I prefer the stock system. it can take an impact and since it is not hooked to the pushrod tubes, wont transfer the impact to the tubes. also with some bending and extending the mount that hooks to the exhaust stud, I was able to run a relocated pressure sender switch with the stock shields, and also am able to protect my hoses for the external cooler by running the oil hoses between the stock shield and the tubes. The extended mount, I do not need to remove the exhaust nut to lower the stock shields out of the way
For coolant change, I flush with a flushing tee on the rear heater hose, and blow out excess water with a shop vac thru a disconnected radiator hose at radiator. no need I found to drain via the engine drain plugs.
it is just not a good idea to mount the shield directly to the fragile pushrod tubes as this design has done, whack the plate on the ground on a rough road and the tubes can still be damaged. The shield really should be mounted differently, on the tubes as it is asking for trouble |
This ^^^ is seriously some of the most stupid tripe I've ever seen vomited up on here, and that's really saying something. |
I have no doubt you're right about this, tencentlife, but for us less mechanically inclined folks can you possibly provide a brief explanation as to why bluebus86 is out to lunch on this one? Thanks! |
I think what is meant is that the shield is less effective if it is mounted to the tubes that is designed to protect rather than mounted to block and heads as the stock shieled is. Makes sense to me.
I ran an auxiliary cooler with hoses from the oil filter adaptor above the stock shields so that the hoses are protected, cant do that with the aftermarket design it appears, no room for them.
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MMKGreenMachine Samba Member
Joined: April 18, 2023 Posts: 15 Location: Vancouver Island, BC
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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zerotofifty wrote: |
MMKGreenMachine wrote: |
tencentlife wrote: |
bluebus86 wrote: |
I prefer the stock system. it can take an impact and since it is not hooked to the pushrod tubes, wont transfer the impact to the tubes. also with some bending and extending the mount that hooks to the exhaust stud, I was able to run a relocated pressure sender switch with the stock shields, and also am able to protect my hoses for the external cooler by running the oil hoses between the stock shield and the tubes. The extended mount, I do not need to remove the exhaust nut to lower the stock shields out of the way
For coolant change, I flush with a flushing tee on the rear heater hose, and blow out excess water with a shop vac thru a disconnected radiator hose at radiator. no need I found to drain via the engine drain plugs.
it is just not a good idea to mount the shield directly to the fragile pushrod tubes as this design has done, whack the plate on the ground on a rough road and the tubes can still be damaged. The shield really should be mounted differently, on the tubes as it is asking for trouble |
This ^^^ is seriously some of the most stupid tripe I've ever seen vomited up on here, and that's really saying something. |
I have no doubt you're right about this, tencentlife, but for us less mechanically inclined folks can you possibly provide a brief explanation as to why bluebus86 is out to lunch on this one? Thanks! |
I think what is meant is that the shield is less effective if it is mounted to the tubes that is designed to protect rather than mounted to block and heads as the stock shieled is. Makes sense to me.
I ran an auxiliary cooler with hoses from the oil filter adaptor above the stock shields so that the hoses are protected, cant do that with the aftermarket design it appears, no room for them.
I dont see any vomit here. |
Yeah, I understood what bluebus86's concern was. My question to tencentlife is why isn't that a legitimate concern? My passenger side stock shield is gone and I have no interest in messing with the bolts on the block and heads, so I'm thinking of purchasing a set of the low-profile shields and am looking for an explanation as to why I shouldn't be worried about the sort of energy transfer to the rods that bluebus86 (and you) mentioned. Thanks. |
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zerotofifty Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2003 Posts: 1497
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: New low-profile SS pushrod tube shields from Vanistan/RMW |
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Think of it this way, if you take a 2 lbs hammer and with all your might strike the center of the aftermarket plate, what do you think will happen to the pushrod tubes to which the plates are directly attached? Dents, seals leaking, maybe even a bent pushrod?
Then think of doing the same to a stock shield. I bet the stock shield could be hammer hit many times before any damage is done to the pushrod tubes.
There is the claim that these aftermarket plates are easy to remove, thus making the head coolant drain plug easy to get at. That maybe true. But if you want to make it easy with stock shields, simply cut a hole in the shield to pass a socket through to get at the drain plug.
The idea of of having a shield is to protect the delicate pushrod tubes, the stock shield does a good job, the aftermarket shield is a poor design in this regard, yeah better than nothing, but inferior to stock. _________________ Give peace a chance. No American war with Russia! |
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MMKGreenMachine Samba Member
Joined: April 18, 2023 Posts: 15 Location: Vancouver Island, BC
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: New low-profile SS pushrod tube shields from Vanistan/RMW |
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Yeah, I get all that, and that all makes intuitive sense to me. That is why I was hoping to hear why tencentlife, who I understand to be the inventor of the low-profile shields, says that is not an issue to worry about.
At the end of the day, with my stock shield missing and no desire or ability to replace it with another stock shield, I do figure this has to be better than nothing. |
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