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fxr Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? |
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SCM wrote: |
Does anyone else NOT have an "OXS" indicator light on their instrument cluster? My 91 Westy doesn't have it. |
A PO glued a penny over where mine might be - so I assume I do have one, but I can't see it... _________________ Jim Crowther
1984 1.9l EJ22 Westy Wolfsburg Edition
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12103 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? |
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My '89 doesn't have the Ox light _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32432 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32432 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32432 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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kalispell365 Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2010 Posts: 889 Location: PNW
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? |
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1980 had a very nice metal hoop to pull and release the spare tire, 81 and on had the plastic pull hoop and sometime later the whole latch assembly went to all plastic.
The fridge also changed to an auto reignitor setup in 1990. _________________ 1983 Diesel Vanagon Westfalia chassis with Subaru 2.2l |
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Yellow Rabbit Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2005 Posts: 1145
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? |
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My 85 has the late sliding door and the late license plate flap. |
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D Clymer Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2005 Posts: 2978 Location: Issaquah, WA
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? |
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djkeev wrote: |
Sliding door change....
When exactly did it take place?
For all of 85 or early in the 85 year run?
And exactly what are the differences?
Dave |
Hi Dave,
As far as I know, all 1985 model year vans have the updated sliding door. It can be spotted by the shorter handle and deeper, but smaller handle recess.
The entire track assembly is different on the newer system and it eliminated the nylon guide bushings used on the early door.
The window aperture on the later sliding door is also slightly shorter.
Dave |
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bobbyblack Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2015 Posts: 4332 Location: United States, Iowa
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 6:15 am Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? |
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My '87 has this stamp 10/86
_________________ '87 Westy 'Flossie','86 Westy 'R1','86 tintop GL - Subi2.2 'J2','83.5 stock tintop L 'ZoomBus','74 Karmann Ghia, '63 Notch |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32432 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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D Clymer Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2005 Posts: 2978 Location: Issaquah, WA
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? |
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djkeev wrote: |
Adjustable front seat arm rests..... What year?
Up to and through 86 is a No.
87????
88 and up seems like a Yes?
Dave |
The adjustable armrests were introduced for MY 1987.
D |
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bikelash Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2013 Posts: 370 Location: Monument, Colorado
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? |
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Arm rest and rear window vents on my 88. _________________ Ace
64 baja sold
72 sb wrecked
69 baja sold
69 std sold
72 sb sold
54 std sold
74 sb-ongoing
88 westy-ongoing |
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bobbyblack Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2015 Posts: 4332 Location: United States, Iowa
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? |
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Well, yes, the title says '87, and the 10/86 seems to confirm. Front seats are both adjustable arms. Although, the driver door has the electric mirror adjuster, which does not work, and I can't find Fuse #25. Looks to me a lot like the driver side took a full front to rear swipe. It is entirely possible that the driver door was replaced with another perhaps newer one. Also, I'd guess the PO upgraded the seats if they weren't standard for that year. That old Duffer really did some amazing stuff, from all the things I have found thus far. The only thing I truly detest was to cut off the closet door.... I think the door that could swing open over the table was a year or so later? Hence, the PO was aware of that from somewhere, and doing 'upgrades' as he could. Too bad about the cabinet frame. The door is not good, but the frame, sheesh, come on!!!
_________________ '87 Westy 'Flossie','86 Westy 'R1','86 tintop GL - Subi2.2 'J2','83.5 stock tintop L 'ZoomBus','74 Karmann Ghia, '63 Notch |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32432 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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OddN Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2010 Posts: 690 Location: Northern Norway
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:01 am Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? |
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djkeev wrote: |
The closet door length is a new item to me.
What year did Westfalia change the design and does anyone have photos of the design change?
Dave |
Actually, it was more of a model change.
All Joker/Club Joker models have the tall door. And all California/Atlantic have the shorter door.
California first appeared in late 88, and the Atlantic in early 89. But there were some overlap Joker production after that (up to 90 I believe)
Club Joker door:
California door:
_________________ 1991 VW Multivan syncro 1,9 TD |
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Gruppe B Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2007 Posts: 1331
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? |
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My 1991 Carat has factory painted sound deadening on the rear engine deck and behind the rear seat while my 1980 aircooled and 1985 Westy are just painted metal.
My 1982 Diesel however has the same sound deadening treatment.... |
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tjet Samba Member
Joined: June 10, 2014 Posts: 3528 Location: CA & NM
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? |
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D Clymer wrote: |
djkeev wrote: |
Sliding door change....
When exactly did it take place?
For all of 85 or early in the 85 year run?
And exactly what are the differences?
Dave |
Hi Dave,
As far as I know, all 1985 model year vans have the updated sliding door. It can be spotted by the shorter handle and deeper, but smaller handle recess.
The entire track assembly is different on the newer system and it eliminated the nylon guide bushings used on the early door.
The window aperture on the later sliding door is also slightly shorter.
Dave |
Dave(s), regarding the sliding door changes, was there a change in window size? |
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boat_builder Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2007 Posts: 610 Location: Republic of Ireland
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? |
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Someone asked about date stamps...There are date stamps on the front of the wheel rims that show the month and year of manufacture... my spare is from 1977![/b] |
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jimf909 Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2014 Posts: 7401 Location: WA/ID
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:57 am Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? |
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djkeev wrote: |
The closet door length is a new item to me.
What year did Westfalia change the design and does anyone have photos of the design change?
Dave |
When I was shopping for a Westy camper I saw an '87 with the long door (shortened as in the photo above) and bought a '90 with a short door. My '85 had the long door.
I find the short door to be much more convenient due to the easier access to the closet. _________________ - Jim
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7892 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:10 am Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? |
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OddN wrote: |
Actually, it was more of a model change.
All Joker/Club Joker models have the tall door. And all California/Atlantic have the shorter door. |
All Westfalia full-campers shipped to North America had the short closet door beginning with the 1989 model year (no such thing as Joker and California here). That door is one of the reasons I limited my search to '89-'91. _________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2016 Golf GTI S
"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance." - 孔子 |
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