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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:22 am    Post subject: vw oil sump plate problems Reply with quote

while changing the oil in my 68 bug i discovered some of the studs for the oil sump plate are stripped out. is there any way I can fix this without having to get a new case???
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:03 am    Post subject: Re: vw oil sump plate problems Reply with quote

Yes, can be fixed.

I think my first try would be 7mm x 6mm step studs like http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=965448

http://www.rockyjennings.com/oil_pan_repair_studs.html

If I couldn't find those I would go with the more-available 8mm x 6mm step studs, think those options are easier and better than solid threaded inserts or heli-coils for such repair.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:03 am    Post subject: Re: vw oil sump plate problems Reply with quote

There are a couple ways to fix.

Weather YOU can do this or not is unanswerable by me

There are thread inserts.
where the hole is enlarged and a spring looking item is installed giving new threads. "helicoil"

and another called nutsert again requires an enlargened hole where a short tube like section threads inner and outer is put in the block.

and I believe there are also step studs available. Where the hole is enlarged and threaded to the next size thread. The new stud has afat end that screws into this enlarged threaded hole and the skinny end sticks out just like it was.

And there is the funky I think a 1/4" bolt. A 1/4" tap to the stripped hole allowing a 1/4" american bolt to be used. May have to waller out the plate hole just a bit to 1/4 inch. Going the 1/4" route still leaves plenty of meat for the tread inserts to be tried later.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:12 am    Post subject: Re: vw oil sump plate problems Reply with quote

DeathTrap wrote:
And there is the funky I think a 1/4" bolt. A 1/4" tap to the stripped hole allowing a 1/4" american bolt to be used. May have to waller out the plate hole just a bit to 1/4 inch. Going the 1/4" route still leaves plenty of meat for the tread inserts to be tried later.



1/4 inch is about 6.25mm, marginally larger than the original 6mm thread size. If one does try 1/4 inch, I would still use studs and not bolts.

I do recommend the step studs though, especially the 7mm x 6mm ones; that's what I'd use on my own engines if I had this issue !!!! Notice the bold and large size? Next time I'll use capitals. Don't cheap out.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:18 am    Post subject: Re: vw oil sump plate problems Reply with quote

This IS the preferred repair method, do it once and be done with it
http://vwparts.aircooled.net/Time-Sert-Tool-Rental...l-1610.htm
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:32 pm    Post subject: Re: vw oil sump plate problems Reply with quote

60ragtop wrote:
This IS the preferred repair method, do it once and be done with it
http://vwparts.aircooled.net/Time-Sert-Tool-Rental...l-1610.htm



Time-Serts are very good. But I'd still try the 7mm x 6mm step studs first.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 6:51 am    Post subject: Re: vw oil sump plate problems Reply with quote

is there a particular reason my reply here was deleted?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:57 pm    Post subject: Re: vw oil sump plate problems Reply with quote

I'm leaning towards step studs.do u have t drill and tap for them??? How hard are they to install
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 6:46 pm    Post subject: Re: vw oil sump plate problems Reply with quote

I never saw your post rockrod...I didn't delete it.idk how t delete posts.I'm fairly new t the samba
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:15 am    Post subject: Re: vw oil sump plate problems Reply with quote

if the studs pulled out then yes step studs can be used.
if the studs only stripped then replace the studs
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:40 am    Post subject: Re: vw oil sump plate problems Reply with quote

green giant wrote:
I'm leaning towards step studs.do u have t drill and tap for them??? How hard are they to install


For the 7mm x 6mm step studs, personally I'd run a tap through. 7.0 x 1.0mm tap

For 8mm x 6mm step studs, I'd drill first, then tap. 8.0 x 1.25mm tap

These are easy to install. And with these options, you haven't "burned your bridges" if you decided at a later date to go to Time Sert.

I definitely recommend the metric step stud approach, rather than going to 1/4-inch or other SAE thread pitch; but it is YOUR VW.


With a Time-Sert you'd also drill first, tap to whatever the Time-Sert details, then use the Time-Sert tool to complete the installation. Could one get a tiny amount of oil seepage between the Time-Sert outer thread and the case? I would imagine so.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: vw oil sump plate problems Reply with quote

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