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veloandy Samba Member
Joined: December 04, 2010 Posts: 356 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado, USA
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:50 pm Post subject: Simple wiring for coolant level idiot light? |
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Hey Everyone,
I thought I'd post this to hit up the collective Samba wisdom once again...
I have an originally-air-cooled 1981 Westy. I swapped in a Subaru engine. I have the stock air-cooled gauges, plus an aftermarket electric water temperature gauge. I recently got The Tank from Rocky Mountain Westy, and I'd like to hook up the coolant level sensor in The Tank to a new idiot light on the dashboard. The coolant level sensor reads about 800K Ohms when immersed in coolant and infinite when dry.
How do I wire up the idiot light to come on if the coolant runs dry? A normally-closed relay won't do it -- the 800K Ohms is too much resistance to activate it.
I know the stock WBX cluster uses a coolant level warning control unit to figure out when to light up the LED to indicate a low coolant level.
It seems like my options to get a low coolant level indicator light are:
1. Get the gauge cluster and coolant level warning control unit from a later van and wire them up.
2. Bust out an Arduino and hack up my own coolant level warning control unit to light up a light only when there's infinite resistance at the sensor.
3. Give up and just not have a low coolant indicator light.
Am I missing a simple way to wire a light to come on when the coolant runs dry?
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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They changed the sensor used a couple of times now, not sure, ask Mike he should know. |
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jmranger Samba Member
Joined: January 14, 2010 Posts: 701 Location: Quebec
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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The arduino isn't a bad idea, but you can do much simpler with plain transistors and resistors.
A voltage divider with one of the resistors being the coolant sensor, an NPN transistor as a logic inverter circuit and a few more resistors for polarisation and current limiting for the LED should do the trick. Roughly $1 in parts.
If you want to simulate if, have a look at the free LTSpice simulator. |
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markd89 Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2005 Posts: 657 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Google LM1830. I used one of these to build a low coolant circuit for my bus. It triggers a relay which runs a warning light and a very loud warning.
There are other integrated circuits which also make such a setup pretty easy.
Good luck!
Mark _________________ 78 TDI Sunroof Bus
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squeegee_boy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2008 Posts: 762 Location: Langley, BC, Canada
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:42 am Post subject: |
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I put in one of these:
http://www.coolantalarm.co.uk/shop/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=3
...since my digital gauge cluster doesn't have a coolant indicator circuit.
It wasn't exactly cheap, but after several failed attempts to build a reliable one using voltage dividers and other things, it was nice to be plug and play.
I didn't know about the LM1830 though... that looks cool.
Robyn _________________ 1984 FrankenSyncro Westy. EJ25 RMW kit
1971 Super Beetle with an EJ22. Oh yes. Daily driver |
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Simple wiring for coolant level idiot light? |
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10372 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:15 am Post subject: Re: Simple wiring for coolant level idiot light? |
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I'd think the coolant low module (relay) could be found in a wrecked Vanagon.
Would suggest '86+ parts for that.
The Diesel Vanagon coolant gauge would also work. I wonder if a gauge from a
Mk2 would work?
Neil. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9926 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:46 am Post subject: Re: Simple wiring for coolant level idiot light? |
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Various other VWs from around 85-91 used the same setup and the same module. Many had no coolant level sensor and warning system but the ones that did mostly shared the sames stuff as the Vanagon of the same year.
Mark
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I'd think the coolant low module (relay) could be found in a wrecked Vanagon.
Would suggest '86+ parts for that.
The Diesel Vanagon coolant gauge would also work. I wonder if a gauge from a
Mk2 would work?
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10372 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:59 am Post subject: Re: Simple wiring for coolant level idiot light? |
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^^ Useful to know Mark.
At the OP: here's the part I used. It's NOT the early style module that pins the coolant temp needle and causes red light to blink in a coolant low event; it just causes the red light to blink.
Neil.
_________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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