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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:37 am    Post subject: After Market Cruise Control: What's available in 2016 Reply with quote

It is time to revisit after market cruise control for STOCK gasoline Vanagon engines.

This forum is full of old Audiovox vacuum NLA advice, Rostra fitted to Subaru conversions, installed used factory units, subaru units into the Vanagon, etc.

Here are some examples......

Vanagon cruise Control

No, not factory installed cruise, aftermarket cruise.

Dec. 2014 Rostra cruise into unit with a subaru engine

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6...mp;start=0

Dec. 2014 VSS sensor on axle bolts

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7472253#7472253

Dec 2014 Rostra into unit with subaru engine

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7472309#7472309

March 2011 Audiovox knockoff kit

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=456882&highlight=rostra

Sept 2010 cruise control options

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=432320&highlight=rostra

The cruise control store

http://www.thecruisecontrolstore.com/

August 2010 cruise for an 87 Automatic

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=429525&highlight=rostra

July 2001 old Audiovox kit

http://www.westfalia.org/community/showthread.php?92-Aftermarket-Cruise-Control

Rostra @ Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008BHGN82/ref=pd_luc_rh_sbs_02_02_t_img_lh?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Audiovox cruise clone

http://www.murphskits.com/product_info.php?products_id=422

GoWesty Cruise Control....

http://www.gowesty.com/product-details.php?id=23793

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:45 am    Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control 2016 Reply with quote

What about those of us driving a stock setup without Cruise Control who wish to add it in 2016?

I talked to my FLAPS and Chris said that while he'd happily take my money, he has yet to see a unit installed that worked well.

According to Chris, They all seem to have operational quirks and that few owners are completely happy with them.

So, today....... mid 2016...... what are the general feelings about adding after market cruise control systems to our Vans?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:08 am    Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control 2016 Reply with quote

I've had the Audiovox CCS 100 on my van for 30+ years, used the same unit on my prior vehicle before that & transferred it to the Westy soon after it bought it.

Works perfectly.

In January of this year I bought an new Audiovox unit from Amazon for another car - still a great unit, now even easier to install.

https://www.amazon.com/Audiovox-CCS100-Universal-V...roduct_top

It appears they are not currently available on Amazon. Murphs' lists them but no idea if they really have one if you order:

http://www.murphskits.com/product_info.php?products_id=422

Amazon has the Rostra - no experience with that but it doesn't look all that different from the CCS100 to me:

https://www.amazon.com/Rostra-Universal-Electronic...se+control
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:49 am    Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control 2016 Reply with quote

Ahwahnee wrote:
I've had the Audiovox CCS 100 on my van for 30+ years, used the same unit on my prior vehicle before that & transferred it to the Westy soon after it bought it.

Works perfectly.

In January of this year I bought an new Audiovox unit from Amazon for another car - still a great unit, now even easier to install.

https://www.amazon.com/Audiovox-CCS100-Universal-V...roduct_top

It appears they are not currently available on Amazon. Murphs' lists them but no idea if they really have one if you order:

http://www.murphskits.com/product_info.php?products_id=422

Amazon has the Rostra - no experience with that but it doesn't look all that different from the CCS100 to me:

https://www.amazon.com/Rostra-Universal-Electronic...se+control


Yes, Murph's clearly states that they have had the AudioVox unit reproduced by the original company that manufactured it.

I currently have the Rostra Electronic unit in my Shopping cart along with the various "must have" bits.
I have a deep seated distrust for electronic items and their performance over the passage of time.

The GoWesty unit looks exactly like the Rostra, GoWesty is hooking it up to the gas pedal rather that the throttle linkage on the engine..... Interesting concept.
I do wonder how and where they fadten to the pedal? It must be under the floor in the pedal cover box? (Anyone do this? Any photos?)

http://www.gowesty.com/product-details.php?id=23793

What can I honestly expect from a unit? Will it work satisfactorily (Within 2.1 parameters) ?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:02 am    Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control 2016 Reply with quote

Good topic Dave. I have been contemplating cruise control for a while. I've probably read all the same topics you have. My installation wouldn't be quite stock since i appear to have a dealer installed aftermarket unit.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:53 am    Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control 2016 Reply with quote

My current thoughts......

I'm headed across the American Prairies to the Western edge at Glacier National Park.
A LOT of flat straight miles to travel at a consistent speed.
My right knee hurts.....often. (Don't get old kids! )
I WANT cruise for this trip..... I do NOT need cruise.

I like the pickup of speed off of the axle bolts.... Clever!

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7472253#7472253

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I am drawn to the Rostra because it is supported and judging from GoWesty, technology that works in the Vanagon.

I am repelled from the Rostra because it is all digital electronics and it isn't cheap!

I am drawn by the Murphs reproduction for it is old school proven by time technology.
I like the price.
But, the "you buy it, you own it, we don't offer any support for it" repels me.
It's old school rubber diaphrams that rot, modern rubber sucks big time!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:11 am    Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control 2016 Reply with quote

Im in the process of retrofitting an original cruise control to my automatic 112i Caravelle.

I like the fact that it is original, but if an aftermarket system could be made to work with the original stalk, I would be happy with that as well.

So, what exactly are the cons of the original system? Being used in so many different VW and Audi cars of that era, I would think the used parts supply would be sufficient for still some time. But if it has drawbacks worth replacing with an aftermarket system, I would very much like to read about it now.

So far I have only fitted the stalk, so not too late to walk a different path yet.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:39 am    Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control 2016 Reply with quote

djkeev wrote:
...I am drawn by the Murphs reproduction for it is old school proven by time technology.
I like the price.
But, the "you buy it, you own it, we don't offer any support for it" repels me.
It's old school rubber diaphrams that rot, modern rubber sucks big time!


My servo unit has been in the engine compartment the whole time - a hostile environment but still works so no diaphragm failure yet. Lower right corner:

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Here is my review of the new unit I installed on a car in January:

https://www.amazon.com/review/R1RMYZJ9KLZB0D/ref=pe_1098610_137716200_cm_rv_eml_rv0_rv

That Amazon unit came from a motorcycle parts place (Motogroup) so it is quite possibly the same unit Murphs' sells. It was not a real Audiovox but rather in a generic white box -- but the hardware bits were identical to the 1984 Audiovox version.

The main issue vis a vis support & manuals is that every installation is different and it is really down to the installer to figure out the best was to do things.

As I recall the manual I got for the recent install included the option of connecting to an accelerator pedal though (to me) the engine bay still makes more sense.

My installations use magnets on the CV - easy and dependable. One possible drawback is that I have never got the cut-out to work that would disable the unit if you depress the clutch while driving along with the cruise on. My solution is that I simply do not do that - not difficult as it isn't something I would naturally do in a cruise situation anyway.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control 2016 Reply with quote

Thanks for the input!!!

Here is another thought, I have an automatic transmission.
On an Automatic the throttle cable stops at the transmission and is connected to a lever.
This lever is connected to a solid metal rod to the throttle body.
While at full throttle, if fully depress the gas pedal just a tad more than full throttle, depending upon your speed you activate the transmission kick down feature.

There is a spring at the throttle body that "sucks up" this extra kick down movement and it is adjustable by rotating a threaded rod in the end of the accelerator rod.

I wouldn't think that a cruise cable hooked up to the throttle body would activate AT kick down?

The Automatic throttle assembly from pedal to throttle body ...

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A close up of the linkage at the AT.....

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This is where GoWesty must fasten their cruise at the gas pedal?

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How the bar from the AT fastens to the throttle body.....

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:00 pm    Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control 2016 Reply with quote

Bookmarking this. I find holding a steady speed on the highway to be a chore so I'm curious how well these work and how hard they are to retrofit, if one will work on a TiiCo swap (do I look for a unit that would have been installed on a 90s Jetta, whence the heart and soul of my rig came?).
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control Stock Engines 2016 Reply with quote

I'm saving up for the gowesty cruise. it's kind of expensive. I used a rostra cruise unit from the junkyard in my 1984 mighty max. That works pretty well it gets the job done. I had to design a dual pedal cruise disengage switch since the junkyard kit was for automatic (one pedal disengage). I used relays to take input from both pedal switches to supply the disengage signal to the rostra control unit.
I have a cruise stalk for my 89 tintop and the gowesty will work with that. There was a thread here talking about the gowesty unit. They commented that its well thought out and a nice kit with all the pieces and all up front. But some said that the gowesty attachment to the pedal linkage is really hard to get at. Cruise is worth it to me my leg and knee start hurting after hours of pedal management. So much nicer to be able to shift positions to stay comfortable. Maybe with recaro seats i wouldn't need cruise Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:26 pm    Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control Stock Engines 2016 Reply with quote

I added that link above ^^^^

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:07 pm    Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control: Stock Engines 2016 Reply with quote

Oops. Thanks dave. Does anyone have the install instructions from the gowesty kit? Is that something that can be posted here?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:09 pm    Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control: Stock Engines 2016 Reply with quote

Having spent far too many hours cobbling my CC system together from the VAG parts bin (AKA junkyard), I suggest that anyone seeking an easy install guaranteed to work should use either the GoWesty kit or the Rostra. Spoiler alert: The GoWesty kit IS a Rostra, but is sold with an easy-to-use Vehicle speed sensor from GW and a well thought out connection to the accelerator pedal.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control: Stock Engines 2016 Reply with quote

i've fitted a few of the audio vox systems, 2 for the same customer one on each of his syncros, he's very happy with them.
and recently fitted the gowesty offering, not the best, it wouldn't work on their basic settings, and took several test miles to fine tune it, i believe it's owners are still happy with it
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:29 pm    Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control: Stock Engines 2016 Reply with quote

I've used a Rostra on a Miata and Bostig Vanagon. While not just like your stock Vsnagon, I've gotta believe it would work just as well (I found it to be an excellent add-on: reliably sets the speed and adjusts speed just like a fancy modern car).

I've found the wireless switch to work far better than expected: it fits wherever you want it; requires no wires and reliably makes the connection.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:35 am    Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control: Stock Engines 2016 Reply with quote

Ok, here's where I'm at........

Because of the reviews that I read, the fact that Rostra used to be GM's Dana and the support behind the sale, I am leaning heavily towards the
Rostra 250-1223 universal Cruise kit.
http://www.rostra.com/universal-aftermarket-cruise-control-by-rostra.php

There are two ways I can buy this cruise control kit.......

From GoWesty for pennies shy of $400 (+ GoWesty's freight charges)
Edit, in this case $17 ground or $26 priority, not so bad.
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Or I can get the universal kit, add on the dash switch and use magnets on the CV joint (for now) and spend just a tad over $250 with free shipping.

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GoWesty has some plus fearures.... The VSS pickup at the Speedometer, the pre-engineered hookup in the Gas Pedal linkage and historically decent customer service. Driving an Automatic I feel that I must have the gas pedal hookup so that I have full kick down function on hills as needed.

Now, I dislike paying money for things that I can easily make.
It will take me a few hours to do, but looking at drawings and photos of the gas pedal assembly, I feel that I can easily fab up a solid weatherproof, adjustable gas pedal pivot connection for very little cash out of pocket (if any).

While I have my installation vision, I'd love to see GoWesty's method. Does anyone have any literature or photos of the GW pedal interface?

While the VSS is nice, magnets are old school proven technology. I can embrace the wiring needed to do this. I can always upgrade later.

I am teetering on the fence here..... I've only a month before trip time...... Someone going to push me?
You know that when I fab my hookup system, you'll know how to do it too.......

Here is the hardware pack shipped with the Rostra, I can work with this! 👌

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:50 am    Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control: Stock Engines 2016 Reply with quote

The vss speedometer pickup can be found in Golf/Rabbit at least up to -91 model. Dont know if you got them with the multi function display (mfa) but all Golf 2 with that display has the vss.

But how is the slower speed signal affecting the Rostra unit? Is it adjustable or will you only have Cruise above 50 mph...

And if you were to use the original VW stalk, how would that connect to the Rostra?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:57 am    Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control: What's available in 2016 Reply with quote

Here are Rostra's online instructions, they cover how to hook up various VSS systems quite effectively.

http://www.rostra.com/manuals/250-1223Form4565G.pdf


One thing that I miss about living in NJ are old time junk yards! They just simply do not exist in my area.
I make do.......

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:06 am    Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control: What's available in 2016 Reply with quote

Now, for those of you with either the Rostra Electonic unit or GoWesty's kit,
A question.......

Rostra clearly states in their literature that the unit makes noise while operating, for this reason they suggest that it NOT be mounted in the passenger cabin.
BUT this is exactly what GoWesty has apparently done.

Do you hear the unit operating while driving?

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