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Bulli Klinik
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Can't you simply adjust the spring plates?
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Harleyelf
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 1:47 pm Post subject: Re: IRS Bolt on Like BusBoys (Are They Out of Biz?) |
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| I use a couple of old crankcase studs mounted in the rear fender bracket bolt holes, with a steel bar joining them and supporting the engine. It draws the ride height down about an inch. |
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: IRS Bolt on Like BusBoys (Are They Out of Biz?) |
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| Bulli Klinik wrote: |
| Can't you simply adjust the spring plates? |
This.
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sambaphil
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tisius
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 11:07 am Post subject: Re: IRS Bolt on Like BusBoys (Are They Out of Biz?) |
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| I use a couple of old crankcase studs mounted in the rear fender bracket bolt holes, with a steel bar joining them and supporting the engine. It draws the ride height down about an inch. |
?Huh?
Can you post a picture of what that looks like? I totally don't get your solution.... a split bus does not have fenders, are you talking about a VW bug?
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Harleyelf
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: IRS Bolt on Like BusBoys (Are They Out of Biz?) |
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Bumper mounts. Fender wells. Like a mustache bar for splits.
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cru62
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: IRS Bolt on Like BusBoys (Are They Out of Biz?) |
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Unfortunately, that will have absolutely no effect on the ride height of a vehicle. It is commonly known as a "traction bar" and merely keeps the engine from moving under acceleration.
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sambaphil
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: IRS Bolt on Like BusBoys (Are They Out of Biz?) |
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| Bulli Klinik wrote: |
| Can't you simply adjust the spring plates? |
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Hey Guys,
So monkeying around with ride height, I have static spring plates. If I replace the spring plate just one spline north, it looks like it will drop the ride height a lot more than an inch. When you guys made the comment about simply adjusting the spring plate, were you assuming I had adjustable spring plates?
Thanks guys, I appreciate the input on this..
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: IRS Bolt on Like BusBoys (Are They Out of Biz?) |
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| cdennisg wrote: |
| Bulli Klinik wrote: |
| Can't you simply adjust the spring plates? |
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Hey Guys,
So monkeying around with ride height, I have static spring plates. If I replace the spring plate just one spline north, it looks like it will drop the ride height a lot more than an inch. When you guys made the comment about simply adjusting the spring plate, were you assuming I had adjustable spring plates?
Thanks guys, I appreciate the input on this.. |
No. There are splines on the inside end of that torsion bar, too. With one combo of up/down between the two, you can gain (or lose) about 3/16" ride height.
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: IRS Bolt on Like BusBoys (Are They Out of Biz?) |
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Huge bulb just went on!!  now I get it!
I can do the math on moving in inner one direction and the spring plate the other direction.
Learning as I go. Cool. Thanks. |
Bingo! There are a different number of inner and out splines to allow for small increments of change. I believe it comes out to just between 1/8" and 3/16" of overall height change per inner/outer spline combination.
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sambaphil
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:03 am Post subject: Re: IRS Bolt on Like BusBoys (Are They Out of Biz?) |
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| sambaphil wrote: |
Huge bulb just went on!! now I get it!
I can do the math on moving in inner one direction and the spring plate the other direction.
Learning as I go. Cool. Thanks. |
Bingo! There are a different number of inner and out splines to allow for small increments of change. I believe it comes out to just between 1/8" and 3/16" of overall height change per inner/outer spline combination. |
Here is a video on YouTube. It looks to be a bay bus adjusting torsion bars and angles but same concept. The key ingredient I was missing is 5 minutes and 11 seconds into the video. I hope this helps others.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfcqkC4RkYI
Cheers!
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: IRS Bolt on Like BusBoys (Are They Out of Biz?) |
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Bay bus, early/late beetle, type 3 are all the same setup in regards to torsion bar indexing to adjust ride height. I did not watch the entire video, but it seems like he has the right idea.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 7:35 am Post subject: Re: IRS Bolt on Like BusBoys (Are They Out of Biz?) |
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sambaphil
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:30 am Post subject: Re: IRS Bolt on Like BusBoys (Are They Out of Biz?) |
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OK...looks like I have the math. My approach, do math, measure from floor, eyeball, make fine adjustments, and get as close as I can to stock height. Roll the bus around the block a few times, see if all is good.
Thanks again for all the input from the community. Super helpful. I love videos so I will make a video of the highlights and post it. Work slated with my friends for Sunday. Need to research the best way to get the spring plates off safely.
Cheers,
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cru62
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:58 am Post subject: Re: IRS Bolt on Like BusBoys (Are They Out of Biz?) |
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Spring plates on a bus are a breeze. They aren't preloaded against the bottom stops like a bug. Just pry them off making sure not to pull out the torsion bar from the housing. Of course, this after marking the original orientation of the bar to plate and plate to housing.
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: IRS Bolt on Like BusBoys (Are They Out of Biz?) |
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| Spring plates on a bus are a breeze. They aren't preloaded against the bottom stops like a bug. Just pry them off making sure not to pull out the torsion bar from the housing. Of course, this after marking the original orientation of the bar to plate and plate to housing. |
Yes. I usually make a vertical line top to bottom over the whole thing. That way, If things get wonky, you can always go back to your starting point.
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