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EDragnDean Samba Member
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EDragnDean Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:20 am Post subject: |
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How to inner frame to body seal install.
#1 -- some comment that the seal is too large. IMHO what happens is the seal gets stretched during install. Fit the seal in, and when you have extra left, spread the seal back out. Some suggest cutting the seal, don't cut the seal, with time your corners will pull if you resize. You will probably see something like the photos below until you spread it back out.
#2 -- I suggest you use a weather strip adhesive. The body seal is the only seal which needs adhesive, the two glass frame seals do not. 3M has both a yellow and black version, both will work fine.
-- Glue the side opposite of the window frame hinge, the side with where your latch goes. Start by placing two clamps on your installed seal so you do not pull the seal tight again and end up with the overlap at the end. Apply a thin line to the exterior of the frame at the very edge, and a then place the tip directly in the seal gap and place a thin bead also. Take your time and work carefully, the adhesive has a long working time, and it is suggested you let it tack up. Others have suggested using a brush to spread the adhesive, I found using a brush just makes a mess of things. Have a rag handy as it is likely you will get stringy goop everywhere if you don't keep your fingers clean, and when you lift the glue tip it will likely string out.
Once you have reinstalled the now glued side, move on to either the top or bottom of the seal. Do not glue the hinge side, the fourth/hinge side is glued after you install the window.
After you have glued the three sides, install the fourth side with now adhesive to check your fit before the glue sets up. All good? If not readjust the seal to fit. Now check for any adhesive that may have squeezed out of the seal. Fairly easy to remove when still tacky, just use a fingernail or bamboo skewer and grab and edge and roll the adhesive off. After the adhesive dries, you need to use Goo Gone to remove any exposed glue.
Too install the pop out window, coat the exterior window seal with baby powder, have a helper push the completed pop out window into the frame. Not at an angle, in the frame like the window is closed. A friend is a must as the baby powder is slick and the window must be held in or it will drop and hit the floor.
Pull the hinge side seal off so you can access the hinge screws. Use a small punch to align the hinge to screw holes, and screw the 5 connection points hinge to window frame. Once the window is installed, glue the fourth/hinge side of the seal from the inside, and clean up. Install your latch. Done! Now go do the rest.
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flemcadiddlehopper Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:34 am Post subject: |
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One quick question. It has been awhile since I tore mine apart, but, should the headliner material on the cargo doors and window surrounds be installed first? It does go under those window seals, right?
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:52 am Post subject: |
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flemcadiddlehopper wrote: |
One quick question. It has been awhile since I tore mine apart, but, should the headliner material on the cargo doors and window surrounds be installed first? It does go under those window seals, right? |
Yes, the headliner is wrapped around the window frame metal surround a tiny bit and the rubber covers it. _________________ How to Post Photos
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EDragnDean Samba Member
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Bruce Amacker Samba Member
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Stocknazi Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Bruce Amacker wrote: |
Where did you get your rubbers from? Mine were from WCM, and if anything, they were too small, not too large, and need to be propped in while glued.
a trick is to take paint stir sticks, glue/staple them to 22 3/4", round the tips, and use them to prop the rubbers in place. Put a bit of glue in the corners as they tend to pull out, let the glue dry a day or two before removing the sticks.
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I bought some of these seals from WCM a few months ago , and they are short as described above; they want to pull from the corners if not glued in place.
I have some , also from WCM that are several years old and they are too long, like another person posted their's were.
I think it's a product inconsistency from the manufacture with seals either being a good fit, or too large, too small, etc. Seems hit or miss with most seals unfortunatly. _________________ WANTED:
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EDragnDean Samba Member
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BarryL Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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On the too short ones, what happens if you try to stretch them first? They just go back? |
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Can one of you tell me a couple screw sizes?
Latch to frame
Latch to body
Diameter, pitch and overall length if you can please. _________________ Anthony
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DubStyle SBS Hit Squad
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:38 am Post subject: |
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EDragnDean wrote: |
DubStyle wrote: |
Can one of you tell me a couple screw sizes?
Latch to frame
Latch to body
Diameter, pitch and overall length if you can please. |
Latch to frame -- Pan Head M4 6mm x .7
Latch to body -- Oval M4 12mm x .7 |
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d-rick Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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I just ordered and received a set of the body seals and they seem to long, from WW
I didn't stretch them when I installed. I'll try the glue and see if that will hold..I bet it has something to do with the corners and the headliner material? _________________ 1959 mango-trailerbus
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EDragnDean Samba Member
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d-rick Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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YMMV???
You make me vomit??
The old ones were cut 10+ yr ago when i installed them...ended up with a gap in the rubber.
Also thanks for the great write up _________________ 1959 mango-trailerbus
1962 single cab *1/2
1966 13 window
1967 panel/camper
1968 cig-panel *1/2
1968 passenger bus *1/2
1969 beetle
1969 dormobile
1978 sage green Westy
1990 DoKa
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Pop Out Window Restoration |
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in middle of redoing my popout windows. I have aftermarket frames. Originally bought the outer seal from BusDepo. I had a big issue getting the rubber around the corners. Bought the seals from WW and the issue was solved seems like the seals from WW are a bit smaller and go into the repro frames much easier. _________________ 66 13 window bus (sold)
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Longboardluv Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Pop Out Window Restoration |
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I just want to make sure that I'm doing this right. I saw that you have to put the "FLAT OUT" I've done two of my six pop outs like this with the flat part out. Is this correct?
These are the WW seals that don't have that curved shape that i've seen in other pictures in this thread. |
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